A tiny cannon

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

... No teaching here, just a comment ...

So ... just a comment ... He, he, he

Here i go, swallow all the fantastic lecture and the material provided.

Danksche, mein freund .

Fernando

[Matchlock]

Sure, Fernando, my dear friend,

That's just the way it goes:

You present 'the real stuff' and next Michael comes commenting on and adding to it from his experience.

Didn't I do well ?!

Best, my brilliant pal:
m

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

... Didn't I do well ?! ...

Obviously you did super, my dear Michael

One thing is confusing me, though .
The recoil hook being simultaniously the barrel embracing ring. How 'rationaly' is it holding the barrel?
When you shoot the thing, with the hook stuck on the wall (or similar) the impact is in a direction that tends to cause the dismounting of the hook ... if i make myself understood?
Fernando

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[katana]

Another cannon Fernando I think you should have a new nickname ....pouco canhão

All the best
David

[celtan]

Now you're getting into deep waters...

: )

Originally Posted by katana

Another cannon Fernando I think you should have a new nickname ....pouco canhão

All the best
David

[fernando]

Originally Posted by celtan

Now you're getting into deep waters... : )

Ah, Manolo.
... and you just popped in to help sinking me

Fernando ... Nando ... canhãozinho

[celtan]

Don't blame me, consider that if you'd just let go of your cannon, then you won't sink.



OTOH, just floating around weaponless would be so boring, not to mention, you wouldn't be able to defend yerself from pirate attacks!

Nasty buggers, those pirates...

Originally Posted by fernando

Ah, Manolo.
... and you just popped in to help sinking me

Fernando ... Nando ... canhãozinho

[fernando]

Originally Posted by katana

... I think you should have a new nickname ....pouco canhão ...

Ah, Katana Jones, you Brit; making fun of my humble catches .
Now, where did you get that pouco canhão name? . Let me guess; probably you meant to call me something else and the translating machine tricked you .
You see, the term 'little' translates into two different words in portuguese, whether we speak of 'size' or of 'quantity'. Tou say pouco canhão sounds a bit funny; it would mean something like a bit of cannon, as 'pouco' is little for quantity. Probably you meant to call me little (small, tiny) cannon which, in such case, should be pequeno canhão or, more coloquially, canhãozinho.
I am not sure if i am on the rigt track ... but i thank you for the fondly visit .
Fernando

[fernando]

Hi Michael,
Thanks a lot for the reasoning on the ring fixation and for the hint on dating my barrel, which i duly took note.
... and also many thanks for the (allways) clarifying pictures.
Concerning the ring, obviously the wondering on how logicaly it was fixed, was only a 'reflective reaction'; naturaly the thing worked, otherwise the user should have, in due time, modified it. You're right in that the ring must have been hot welded in a such a manner that it became embodied to the barrel.

Danksche,
Fernando

[katana]

Originally Posted by fernando

Ah, Katana Jones, you Brit; making fun of my humble catches .....
. Let me guess; probably you meant to call me something else and the translating machine tricked you .
You see, the term 'little' translates into two different words in portuguese, whether we speak of 'size' or of 'quantity'. Tou say pouco canhão sounds a bit funny; it would mean something like a bit of cannon, as 'pouco' is little for quantity. Probably you meant to call me little (small, tiny) cannon which, in such case, should be pequeno canhão or, more coloquially, canhãozinho.
I am not sure if i am on the rigt track ... but i thank you for the fondly visit .
Fernando

My good friend Fernando,
you are correct 'Babelfish' did indeed 'let me down' ......and I thought I was being 'clever' Now if everyone spoke English we wouldn't get these mis-interpretations

Another fine addition to your Armoury....are you going to get a stock made for this one ?

Kind Regards David

PS canhãozinho ???........Cannon ?????

[fernando]

Originally Posted by katana

... Now if everyone spoke portuguese we wouldn't get these mis-interpretations ...

You're dead rigt .

Originally Posted by katana

...are you going to get a stock made for this one ?

Mmm ... don't know yet.


Cheers
Fernando

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by fernando

Obviously you did super, my dear Michael

One thing is confusing me, though .
The recoil hook being simultaniously the barrel embracing ring. How 'rationaly' is it holding the barrel?
When you shoot the thing, with the hook stuck on the wall (or similar) the impact is in a direction that tends to cause the dismounting of the hook ... if i make myself understood?
Fernando

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Sure, I often wondered about that phenomenon as well. Does not seem too logical right away...

On the other hand, if you look closely at how tight the ring fits the barrel, as well as consider the fact that the ring was drawn over when red hot and naturally had to shrink when cooling down I do not think it would have been moved considerably by the kick back. On my contemporary handgun the ring is riveted so hard that, although having been in use for quite some time, will not move even most minimally.

Additionally, the pronunced muzzle ring both on your hand cannon barrel and the one in Suhl would certainly have prevented the hook from slipping off.

Best,
Michael

[Matchlock]

Fernando,

I should like to add that your short and cute barrel may well have been wrought as early as the second half of the 14th century. The hook of the Suhl piece is certainly a working time addition and the stock is most probably not the first. The Suhl Museum dates the barrel 'late 14th century'.

The criteria are:

1. The barrel is very short and stout - cf. 14th century barrels in the Berne Museum and in both your and my collections.

2. Note the formal similarity between the Loshult barrel (copper alloy, ca. 1330-50) and your barrels and the Suhl gun! See the rounded Romanesque rear ends, the tiny touch holes and the muzzle rings?

Best,
Michael