European swords.Your opinion.

David · 28th February 2009, 06:43 PM

Are these for sale in an active auction?

Jim McDougall · 28th February 2009, 11:56 PM

The top sabre appears to be German or possibly Austrian c.1760's as noted by Ward. These were consistant with the British M1788, whose forms seem to have derived from these. In the British examples those by Gill corresponded very much with these German style hilts.

Jim McDougall · 1st March 2009, 07:14 AM

Further review on this very nice sabre suggests it is quite possibly a Hungarian sabre of the 1760's, while it may be Austrian...it is hard to say as Austro-Hungarian swords were closely diffused. These style hilts were as noted used by a number of countries in East Europe, and the form was influental in developing the British M1788 light cavalry sabres.

The key note on this sabre is the straight crossguard quillon, and the shape of the langet, which does correspond to Hungarian styles of this 1760's period and the iron scabbard with inserts of wood has the more ornate cutouts as seen on Austrian and Hungarian examples.

Best regards,
Jim

28th February 2009, 06:43 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,220	Are these for sale in an active auction?

28th February 2009, 11:56 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,340	The top sabre appears to be German or possibly Austrian c.1760's as noted by Ward. These were consistant with the British M1788, whose forms seem to have derived from these. In the British examples those by Gill corresponded very much with these German style hilts.

1st March 2009, 07:14 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,340	Further review on this very nice sabre suggests it is quite possibly a Hungarian sabre of the 1760's, while it may be Austrian...it is hard to say as Austro-Hungarian swords were closely diffused. These style hilts were as noted used by a number of countries in East Europe, and the form was influental in developing the British M1788 light cavalry sabres. The key note on this sabre is the straight crossguard quillon, and the shape of the langet, which does correspond to Hungarian styles of this 1760's period and the iron scabbard with inserts of wood has the more ornate cutouts as seen on Austrian and Hungarian examples. Best regards, Jim