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Henk · 23rd February 2009, 11:46 PM

Sorry Sajen,

but you're mistaken. This pesi is the prove of recent manufacture.

David · 24th February 2009, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

Sorry Sajen,
but you're mistaken. This pesi is the prove of recent manufacture.

What i think the pesi does prove is that this is not a Javanese keris. Given the rough surface of the blade i would again hazzard the guess that this is a Lombok keris. I don't think the pesi proves recent manufacture. but i would remove that rust if i were you.

galvano · 24th February 2009, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

Sorry Sajen,

but you're mistaken. This pesi is the prove of recent manufacture.

please Henk , I am not an expert
but why : peksi+ rust = new
thanks

Henk · 24th February 2009, 07:16 PM

I'm not an expert either.............

Rust can come up very quickly. Even in a few days. The rust is rather lose if you look at the pictures and doesn't seem rust being there for years. That kind of rust looks much more different.

David · 24th February 2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Henk

I'm not an expert either.............

Rust can come up very quickly. Even in a few days. The rust is rather lose if you look at the pictures and doesn't seem rust being there for years. That kind of rust looks much more different.

Well, if a keris is well cared for i would say that there should never be any rust on the pesi at all, so i don't think that we can judge the age of a keris based on whether or nor there is deep set rust on the pesi or any part of the blade. That this rust is surface rust is a good thing and i would suggest once again that you clean it before it becomes a problem.

ferrylaki · 26th February 2009, 02:08 AM

I think I saw a keris with elephant gandik, luk 3 keris.
might be a recent made keris.

Sajen · 28th February 2009, 03:18 PM

Hello,
I think that this is a very interesting thread and this blade is a puzzle to me. I still think that this blade isn't recent but I can be mistaken.
Galvano you clean the peksi? I think to see a split in the top of it from corrosion.
I want to show here three peksi for comparison: a recent Madura blade, an old Java blade and an old Bali blade.
It will be interesting what our javanese members think about this blade.
And I agree with Newsteel that the greneng is a sign of balinese origin while the sogokan is more javanese.
Regards,
sajen

HiFi · 1st March 2009, 11:14 AM

Dear all, I have followed the discussion for long time but worried my English not good for joining the forum.

Today I try for joining the discussion and please accept my apologize if my word is wrong.

Dear galvano, maybe your keris is like Henk said, I also suppose it is new Maduranese origin made (because it made by order, sometimes the Maduranese keris made adopted of another origin), the corrosion and rust maybe caused of unfinished for finishing (kamal) process.

The kamal process not always to fool people to judge the piece as old but for make the blade become harmoniously like Sajen said.

Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too.

Sincerely,
Suryo

26th February 2009, 02:08 AM	#6
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	I think I saw a keris with elephant gandik, luk 3 keris. might be a recent made keris. Attached Images

28th February 2009, 03:18 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,346	Hello, I think that this is a very interesting thread and this blade is a puzzle to me. I still think that this blade isn't recent but I can be mistaken. Galvano you clean the peksi? I think to see a split in the top of it from corrosion. I want to show here three peksi for comparison: a recent Madura blade, an old Java blade and an old Bali blade. It will be interesting what our javanese members think about this blade. And I agree with Newsteel that the greneng is a sign of balinese origin while the sogokan is more javanese. Regards, sajen Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 28th February 2009 at 03:45 PM.

23rd February 2009, 11:46 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Sorry Sajen, but you're mistaken. This pesi is the prove of recent manufacture.

24th February 2009, 07:16 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I'm not an expert either............. Rust can come up very quickly. Even in a few days. The rust is rather lose if you look at the pictures and doesn't seem rust being there for years. That kind of rust looks much more different.

1st March 2009, 11:14 AM	#8
HiFi Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 11	Dear all, I have followed the discussion for long time but worried my English not good for joining the forum. Today I try for joining the discussion and please accept my apologize if my word is wrong. Dear galvano, maybe your keris is like Henk said, I also suppose it is new Maduranese origin made (because it made by order, sometimes the Maduranese keris made adopted of another origin), the corrosion and rust maybe caused of unfinished for finishing (kamal) process. The kamal process not always to fool people to judge the piece as old but for make the blade become harmoniously like Sajen said. Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too. Sincerely, Suryo