Soul of the Keris

[PenangsangII]

Originally Posted by Pusaka

You would be happy to fight me with your keris if I had a sword, who would have the advantage?

Yes, I would be glad to..... in the confined space of my apartment......

You are also talking about the "soul" of keris..... if it means anything to you, will render your sword, golok or even guns useless....

Well, they wont simply invented keris as a weapon for nothing

[Pusaka]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

You are also talking about the "soul" of keris..... if it means anything to you, will render your sword, golok or even guns useless....

Well, they wont simply invented keris as a weapon for nothing

Yes that's why I very carefully said " as a physical weapon", I know you can use the Ilmu (knowledge of the eight points)

[David]

Yes, the element of surprise is always a factor, but that is pretty self-evident, isn't it? As is the skill level of the practitioner. So i guess i still don't really see the point of discussing how well a keris would do against a pedang or staff...or a gun, nor do i see it's relavence to the topic, Soul of the Keris.

[Jussi M.]

Keris 1, French and British nuclear subs 0




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J

[Jussi M.]

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J

[Pusaka]

That's one foxy lady

Well the Soul of Keris is the name of the Keris fighting dvd, which strangely enough is about keris fighting. I was talking about keris fighting also so it is relevant. To say keris fighting is not relevant to the keris is like saying sword fighting has nothing to do with swords.

I dont think PenangsangII was talking about the element of surprise, I understood that he was talking about Ilmu which is the esoteric use of the keris in combat.

[David]

Originally Posted by Pusaka

That's one foxy lady

Well the Soul of Keris is the name of the Keris fighting dvd, which strangely enough is about keris fighting. I was talking about keris fighting also so it is relevant. To say keris fighting is not relevant to the keris is like saying sword fighting has nothing to do with swords.

I dont think PenangsangII was talking about the element of surprise, I understood that he was talking about Ilmu which is the esoteric use of the keris in combat.

Oh, i see. I guess i didn't pay attention to the name of the video.I don't think anyone would say that keris fighting wasn't relevant to the keris.
Regardless, in our discussions of keris fighting it still seems rather pointless to compare keris to weapons of war. A keris would never be considered a first choice for the battlefield. It is a personal sidearm. In the day-to-day life of indonesians of yesteryear i would image that in self-defense it would be very likely that keris would end up matched against keris anyway. In such situations it it is a fine weapon of self defense.
I was responding to Lew's story about the NYC subway in regards to the element of surprise.