Mid to Late 16th Century Patrons for Paper Cartridges

Matchlock · 16th February 2009, 07:26 PM

Some cartridge boxes from the reseve collection of the German Historic Museum Berlin and my collection.

The one with the bone linlays Nuremberg, ca. 1575, and the blued one with the leather covered body Suhl, ca. 1585, both in my collection.
The etched Saxon patrons dated 1587 and 1589 repectively and the paper cartridges at the GHM Berlin.

Michael

Matchlock · 16th February 2009, 07:33 PM

These two etched Saxon patrons dated 1587 and 1589 repectively and the paper cartridges at the reserve collection of the German Historic Museum Berlin.

Michael

Matchlock · 16th February 2009, 07:35 PM

One more.

Matchlock · 24th February 2009, 05:11 PM

Of Nuremberg type, etched and gilt profusely.

Michael

cornelistromp · 21st March 2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

Of Nuremberg type, etched and gilt profusely.

Michael

Dear Michael,

absolutely beautiful display of those very rare cartridge boxes, I'm totally blown away by it.

I have one similar to the christies lot 171 you placed in this thread.
Do you know if it's made in Nurnberg, or is this difficult to tell?

kind Regards

Matchlock · 22nd March 2009, 07:01 PM

Hi Cornelis,

I am absolutely sure that your fine patron was made either in Ausburg or Nuremberg. The style of the bone inlay corresponds exactly to that on the wheel-lock puffers and guns characteristic of the late 1570's and 1580's. The iron parts were originally blued, with some of the bluing retained on the inside of the lid of your cartridge box.

It is true that some Saxon patrons were inlaid in the same style but they all usually open by shifting a button on the underside whereas your piece opens by pressing a button on the obverse side.

You're doing very well indeed!

All the best,
Michael

P.S. Could you post an image of that spanner seen in the background?

cornelistromp · 22nd March 2009, 10:22 PM

Dear Michael,

thank you for the info.
Herewith a picture of the spanner/panflask

Best regards

16th February 2009, 07:26 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Some cartridge boxes from the reseve collection of the German Historic Museum Berlin and my collection. The one with the bone linlays Nuremberg, ca. 1575, and the blued one with the leather covered body Suhl, ca. 1585, both in my collection. The etched Saxon patrons dated 1587 and 1589 repectively and the paper cartridges at the GHM Berlin. Michael Attached Images

16th February 2009, 07:33 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	These two etched Saxon patrons dated 1587 and 1589 repectively and the paper cartridges at the reserve collection of the German Historic Museum Berlin. Michael Attached Images

16th February 2009, 07:35 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	One more. Attached Images

24th February 2009, 05:11 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The Second Earliest Dated Patron, 1559, at the Musée de l'Armée Paris Of Nuremberg type, etched and gilt profusely. Michael Attached Images

22nd March 2009, 10:22 PM	#7
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	Dear Michael, thank you for the info. Herewith a picture of the spanner/panflask Best regards Attached Images

22nd March 2009, 07:01 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Cornelis, I am absolutely sure that your fine patron was made either in Ausburg or Nuremberg. The style of the bone inlay corresponds exactly to that on the wheel-lock puffers and guns characteristic of the late 1570's and 1580's. The iron parts were originally blued, with some of the bluing retained on the inside of the lid of your cartridge box. It is true that some Saxon patrons were inlaid in the same style but they all usually open by shifting a button on the underside whereas your piece opens by pressing a button on the obverse side. You're doing very well indeed! All the best, Michael P.S. Could you post an image of that spanner seen in the background?