Ancient Spear Or Forgery?

wolviex · 20th April 2005, 06:00 PM

Hello!

As I wrote it before, we've got something similiar in museum. To be exact - it is almost identical, the same shape, same pattern, but in a bit better condition. I would like to agree with Allan words, quoted by Andrew, but one thing is bothering me: saying Victorian, do we mean English or just European from the 19th century (sometimes called Historical Period) - ANDREW: this would be great if Allan could explain this further

. And this is of course partizan - I would even call it spontoon (sponton) which is a type of partizan BTW.

And the photos of museal piece:

Regards!

Rick · 20th April 2005, 07:29 PM

Sure , let's call it the Historical Period as I'm sure the interest in copies of old arms as decorative pieces was not confined to England .

What I find interesting is that the tips on both examples are broken (I suspect children at play).

I'm still sticking with my trash dump theory for the one in poor condition .
It is simply amazing what people throw out when times or fashion change ; as a former bottle digger I can attest to this phenomenon .

wolviex · 20th April 2005, 08:01 PM

But I would like to calm down our forum friend drzzzz...zzzz - of course there is no doubt that his sponton is in need of restoration, and the pattern isn't well visible - but such objects, 19th century "fakes" from so-called Historical period or Victorian era, are sometimes quite expensive. Even if they are only decorative, theatratical or anything else - today they are antiques. On some internet Auction Houses in Europe you can find such objects - some of them realy ugly, rusty and rude - but with prices over 200 Euros. Some of them (but real nice) are even of 2500 Euros price! So cheer up, anyway

(between us I realy don't know how much it could be worth, and even if I knew, we can't talk about it here.... )

Regards!

Ian · 20th April 2005, 08:23 PM

Those two examples are remarkably similar.

Wolviex -- is your example a cast specimen? Seems I can see the "flash" at the join marks, especially in the center of the curlicues next to the socket.

Ian.

wolviex · 20th April 2005, 08:29 PM

Ian: it seems to be cast. Especially the ornaments, in my opinion, couldn't be made by artist hand personally - it seems to be only a pattern (let's call it this way) from the cast form.

20th April 2005, 06:00 PM	#1
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Museal piece Hello! As I wrote it before, we've got something similiar in museum. To be exact - it is almost identical, the same shape, same pattern, but in a bit better condition. I would like to agree with Allan words, quoted by Andrew, but one thing is bothering me: saying Victorian, do we mean English or just European from the 19th century (sometimes called Historical Period) - ANDREW: this would be great if Allan could explain this further . And this is of course partizan - I would even call it spontoon (sponton) which is a type of partizan BTW. And the photos of museal piece: Regards! Attached Images

20th April 2005, 08:01 PM	#3
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Cheer up ? But I would like to calm down our forum friend drzzzz...zzzz - of course there is no doubt that his sponton is in need of restoration, and the pattern isn't well visible - but such objects, 19th century "fakes" from so-called Historical period or Victorian era, are sometimes quite expensive. Even if they are only decorative, theatratical or anything else - today they are antiques. On some internet Auction Houses in Europe you can find such objects - some of them realy ugly, rusty and rude - but with prices over 200 Euros. Some of them (but real nice) are even of 2500 Euros price! So cheer up, anyway (between us I realy don't know how much it could be worth, and even if I knew, we can't talk about it here.... ) Regards!

20th April 2005, 07:29 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,366	Sure , let's call it the Historical Period as I'm sure the interest in copies of old arms as decorative pieces was not confined to England . What I find interesting is that the tips on both examples are broken (I suspect children at play). I'm still sticking with my trash dump theory for the one in poor condition . It is simply amazing what people throw out when times or fashion change ; as a former bottle digger I can attest to this phenomenon .

20th April 2005, 08:23 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,469	Those two examples are remarkably similar. Wolviex -- is your example a cast specimen? Seems I can see the "flash" at the join marks, especially in the center of the curlicues next to the socket. Ian.

20th April 2005, 08:29 PM	#5
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Ian: it seems to be cast. Especially the ornaments, in my opinion, couldn't be made by artist hand personally - it seems to be only a pattern (let's call it this way) from the cast form.