Ebay UK total Ban on knives, Where next for UK collectors?

kronckew · 10th February 2009, 04:28 PM

the police also 'forget' it is not illegal to possess knives, it's illegal only to use them as offfensive weapons. there are a few categories of knives, push daggers, butterfly, gravity & flick knives (switchblades), 'stealth' knives (plastic shivs) that are illegal to sell or buy (if you already own one you can keep it in the house, but it's illegal outside).

the show 'watchdog' committed a felony by purchasing and importing the illegal knives, one of which was actually an 'assisted opening' knife - not illegal - tho they referred to it as a flick knife, which is illegal. they did this just before xmas apparently, when everyone was most busy and stuff could slip thru customs - thus also showing felonious intent.

they purchased them from ebay USA and had them mailed in. they thus illegally imported the ones that were illegal (and legally imported the one that was not). this was a felony. they then carried them (in a locked case) in public. another felony (there being no amnesty in effect at the time). they did bring them to a police station where they were confiscated for destruction. no one was charged. bet i would have been had it been me.

anyway the UK ban appears to only affect UK sellers of legal items, which both watchdog and ebay say has met the law up till now by removing any illegal types prior to sale.

ebay only provides the venue for sale, the sellers are required to ensure that the sale is legal, not ebay. the buyer is required to ensure he's buying a legal item also.

anyhow, it's a bit early to see how draconian they make the ban and whether they'll be able to also ban us from buying overseas items which are legal. i have a number of household chefs knives of various types, lengths and ages tho...

i just know there's a nice sword still listed i cannot bid on, even tho it's legal for me to do it.

nanny must protect the sheeple tho, it's the modern liberal way -

change - yes we can.

katana · 10th February 2009, 05:51 PM

It is not the first time 'Watchdog' have 'targeted' internet auction sites....Amazon had the 'treatment' awhile ago.....the difference is that Amazon dealt with it and blocked the 'loop-holes'. eBay 'rolled over' ...frightened to stand-up to 'sensationalised criticism'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/...fering_da.html

I would hope that eBay re-think their position ...surely just to allow the sale of vintage/antique would be better than nothing. It would make sense that they introduce a registration system for buyers and sellers ....after all they only have to view your feedback to see that you collect / sell weapons.

I also feel that the 'over-reaction' by eBay may have repercussions elsewhere on the internet.

Good points Kronck

Regards David

spiral · 10th February 2009, 06:36 PM

Well I am glad I got what I did over the last 9 years.

Sadley Antiques will be affected as well, Ebay doesnt have the staff to verify what knives are antique or not & we see sellers lie on ebay all the time.

O well , glad I saw the good old days as we will remeber it when we look back in a few years time.

Sad day though.

Spiral

Andrew · 10th February 2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

the police also 'forget' it is not illegal to possess knives, it's illegal only to use them as offfensive weapons. there are a few categories of knives, push daggers, butterfly, gravity & flick knives (switchblades), 'stealth' knives (plastic shivs) that are illegal to sell or buy (if you already own one you can keep it in the house, but it's illegal outside).

the show 'watchdog' committed a felony by purchasing and importing the illegal knives, one of which was actually an 'assisted opening' knife - not illegal - tho they referred to it as a flick knife, which is illegal. they did this just before xmas apparently, when everyone was most busy and stuff could slip thru customs - thus also showing felonious intent.

they purchased them from ebay USA and had them mailed in. they thus illegally imported the ones that were illegal (and legally imported the one that was not). this was a felony. they then carried them (in a locked case) in public. another felony (there being no amnesty in effect at the time). they did bring them to a police station where they were confiscated for destruction. no one was charged. bet i would have been had it been me.

anyway the UK ban appears to only affect UK sellers of legal items, which both watchdog and ebay say has met the law up till now by removing any illegal types prior to sale.

ebay only provides the venue for sale, the sellers are required to ensure that the sale is legal, not ebay. the buyer is required to ensure he's buying a legal item also.

anyhow, it's a bit early to see how draconian they make the ban and whether they'll be able to also ban us from buying overseas items which are legal. i have a number of household chefs knives of various types, lengths and ages tho...

i just know there's a nice sword still listed i cannot bid on, even tho it's legal for me to do it.

nanny must protect the sheeple tho, it's the modern liberal way -

change - yes we can.

Let's leave the political commentary out of this thread and, indeed, off this forum altogether.

Rich · 10th February 2009, 10:06 PM

I suggest our UK brethren use Ebay US and just list their country of origin
as US. I think (?) you can still safely use the UK as your mailing/billing
address with ebay US and Paypal. I doubt the "watchers" are checking anything
besides the listings themselves. Just a thought; take the chance at your own
risk.

Rich

Berkley · 10th February 2009, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

I suggest our UK brethren use Ebay US and just list their country of origin as US.

Great idea as long as they're willing to take payment in US dollars. That ₤ tends to stand out, though

.

Atlantia · 10th February 2009, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkley

Great idea as long as they're willing to take payment in US dollars. That ₤ tends to stand out, though

.

Way the £ is going we'll soon be accepting payment in chickens or shiny pebbles!

spiral · 11th February 2009, 03:22 PM

A friend of mines just emailed to say hes just had an old bone handled knife pulled off ebay uk, as thier is not any evidence of what type of animal the bone came from!

Crazyier & crazier!

Spiral

asomotif · 11th February 2009, 03:38 PM

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But its going to lose them a huge amount of money and some serious buyers and sellers.
The knee-jerk that scored the own-goal.

Ebay is a big commercial organisation listed in the stock exchange.
So when they are portrayed as a retailer of illegal arms, they will easily change their policy drastically in order to avoid problems with the UK government...

Same as they accept chinese sellers to make big profits on shippingcosts.
if they would ban this chinese way of working they would probably loose their marketshare there. Its'all 'bout the money...

You cannot imagine that this company once started with a private collector who thought it would be nice to have a place for all kinds of collectors to meet.

Personally I am also fed up with ebay.
If you are interested in Borneo it will take you hours to find a single good item between 99,9% rubbisch being sold from certain areas which you can nor exempt in the seatch machine they offer.

Tim Simmons · 11th February 2009, 08:48 PM

Politics aside. Road deaths uk 2008 around 3000, fatal stabbings around 300. You might say stabbings are intentional, I doubt that when talking about most teens, that is a bit like saying all adult bad driving has the intent to kill. I do not know what the answer is. I hate cars, I drive a car 15 years old as I would rather spend my money else where. There is something sickening when the comfortable but ignorant middle ground get motivated like this from all political parties, they do not like to miss a trick when they see one.

All the losses are tragic but not our fault or that of the individual weapon/car involved.

10th February 2009, 04:28 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	the police also 'forget' it is not illegal to possess knives, it's illegal only to use them as offfensive weapons. there are a few categories of knives, push daggers, butterfly, gravity & flick knives (switchblades), 'stealth' knives (plastic shivs) that are illegal to sell or buy (if you already own one you can keep it in the house, but it's illegal outside). the show 'watchdog' committed a felony by purchasing and importing the illegal knives, one of which was actually an 'assisted opening' knife - not illegal - tho they referred to it as a flick knife, which is illegal. they did this just before xmas apparently, when everyone was most busy and stuff could slip thru customs - thus also showing felonious intent. they purchased them from ebay USA and had them mailed in. they thus illegally imported the ones that were illegal (and legally imported the one that was not). this was a felony. they then carried them (in a locked case) in public. another felony (there being no amnesty in effect at the time). they did bring them to a police station where they were confiscated for destruction. no one was charged. bet i would have been had it been me. anyway the UK ban appears to only affect UK sellers of legal items, which both watchdog and ebay say has met the law up till now by removing any illegal types prior to sale. ebay only provides the venue for sale, the sellers are required to ensure that the sale is legal, not ebay. the buyer is required to ensure he's buying a legal item also. anyhow, it's a bit early to see how draconian they make the ban and whether they'll be able to also ban us from buying overseas items which are legal. i have a number of household chefs knives of various types, lengths and ages tho... i just know there's a nice sword still listed i cannot bid on, even tho it's legal for me to do it. nanny must protect the sheeple tho, it's the modern liberal way - change - yes we can. Last edited by kronckew; 10th February 2009 at 05:45 PM.

10th February 2009, 05:51 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	It is not the first time 'Watchdog' have 'targeted' internet auction sites....Amazon had the 'treatment' awhile ago.....the difference is that Amazon dealt with it and blocked the 'loop-holes'. eBay 'rolled over' ...frightened to stand-up to 'sensationalised criticism'. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/...fering_da.html I would hope that eBay re-think their position ...surely just to allow the sale of vintage/antique would be better than nothing. It would make sense that they introduce a registration system for buyers and sellers ....after all they only have to view your feedback to see that you collect / sell weapons. I also feel that the 'over-reaction' by eBay may have repercussions elsewhere on the internet. Good points Kronck Regards David Last edited by katana; 10th February 2009 at 07:39 PM.

10th February 2009, 06:36 PM	#3
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Well I am glad I got what I did over the last 9 years. Sadley Antiques will be affected as well, Ebay doesnt have the staff to verify what knives are antique or not & we see sellers lie on ebay all the time. O well , glad I saw the good old days as we will remeber it when we look back in a few years time. Sad day though. Spiral

10th February 2009, 10:06 PM	#5
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	I suggest our UK brethren use Ebay US and just list their country of origin as US. I think (?) you can still safely use the UK as your mailing/billing address with ebay US and Paypal. I doubt the "watchers" are checking anything besides the listings themselves. Just a thought; take the chance at your own risk. Rich

11th February 2009, 03:22 PM	#8
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	A friend of mines just emailed to say hes just had an old bone handled knife pulled off ebay uk, as thier is not any evidence of what type of animal the bone came from! Crazyier & crazier! Spiral

11th February 2009, 08:48 PM	#10
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Politics aside. Road deaths uk 2008 around 3000, fatal stabbings around 300. You might say stabbings are intentional, I doubt that when talking about most teens, that is a bit like saying all adult bad driving has the intent to kill. I do not know what the answer is. I hate cars, I drive a car 15 years old as I would rather spend my money else where. There is something sickening when the comfortable but ignorant middle ground get motivated like this from all political parties, they do not like to miss a trick when they see one. All the losses are tragic but not our fault or that of the individual weapon/car involved.