Cossack's saif?

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 03:38 AM

Why Russian?
Christian tradition of Moscovia 300 years ago (Russia now) coming out from Kyivska Rus' - current Ukraine.

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 03:42 AM

And yes, thank you, Atlantia.

Atlantia · 4th February 2009, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Yustas

Why Russian?
Christian tradition of Moscovia 300 years ago (Russia now) coming out from Kyivska Rus' - current Ukraine.

Sorry, I mean that part of the universe. (getting too old I think! Its all still the USSR in my head!)
Its an orthodox Christian image.

I guess a way to possibly pin it geographically is by the other elements of the horse crest/coat or arms?
The crossed sword and arrow is distinctlive.
Apart from that.
The crown looks like the Russian one, the silverwork looks like that on 'cossak' belts, the icon is an Orthodox one.

Seems like its been in 'that' area.

Remounted captured or imported weapon?

ingvar · 4th February 2009, 05:14 AM

its a very nice parade sabre, hence the blade is intact.

pommel is and obvious trophy arab saif. scabbard all silver with a snake skin.

The blade, since it wasnt used in combat, is of a fair quality, not sahrpened. One side has a depiction of Pokrova - cossacks safeguard the other side has the badge of the military unit the owner would belong to. in this case its the Kodak Palanka on the Dnieper. Badge circa 1770 i think.

ward · 4th February 2009, 07:07 AM

This is a Hyderabad Arab sword with a European blade, mounted in probably an Eastern European scabbard. Lot of trade between Asia, Caucasus, Russia etc.

Gavin Nugent · 4th February 2009, 09:32 AM

For what it is worth, my two cents places the hilt and scabbard throat as Arabian Saif, The scabbard has a Turkish style to it in my eyes but the ray/shark skin insert has a central Asian flavour to it....no comment on the blade at this time.

Nice looking piece though....

Gav

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 03:20 PM

Hello Ingvar.
Thank you for bege ID.
This is explains a lot. Is it possible that sabre was assembled as a gift, or custom ordered for a "polkovnyk" of that regiment? That may explain the international assembly of different part of the sabre? I know, that countries were buying and selling blades themselves, as raw material, that was fitted with appropriate handle and scabbard.
BTW, scabbard and hendle look like perfect match to me. Same time, same technique, same material and design.

ingvar · 4th February 2009, 03:36 PM

the blade does look turkish? but it was made for decorative purposes only.

regarding the matching scabbard. whoever ordered to make this this definately had money to pick a guy who can match the pommel design.

4th February 2009, 05:14 AM	#4
ingvar Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 11	Cossack's saif? its a very nice parade sabre, hence the blade is intact. pommel is and obvious trophy arab saif. scabbard all silver with a snake skin. The blade, since it wasnt used in combat, is of a fair quality, not sahrpened. One side has a depiction of Pokrova - cossacks safeguard the other side has the badge of the military unit the owner would belong to. in this case its the Kodak Palanka on the Dnieper. Badge circa 1770 i think. Attached Images

4th February 2009, 09:32 AM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	My two cents For what it is worth, my two cents places the hilt and scabbard throat as Arabian Saif, The scabbard has a Turkish style to it in my eyes but the ray/shark skin insert has a central Asian flavour to it....no comment on the blade at this time. Nice looking piece though.... Gav

4th February 2009, 03:38 AM	#1
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	Why Russian? Christian tradition of Moscovia 300 years ago (Russia now) coming out from Kyivska Rus' - current Ukraine.

4th February 2009, 03:42 AM	#2
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	And yes, thank you, Atlantia.

4th February 2009, 07:07 AM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	This is a Hyderabad Arab sword with a European blade, mounted in probably an Eastern European scabbard. Lot of trade between Asia, Caucasus, Russia etc.

4th February 2009, 03:20 PM	#7
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	Hello Ingvar. Thank you for bege ID. This is explains a lot. Is it possible that sabre was assembled as a gift, or custom ordered for a "polkovnyk" of that regiment? That may explain the international assembly of different part of the sabre? I know, that countries were buying and selling blades themselves, as raw material, that was fitted with appropriate handle and scabbard. BTW, scabbard and hendle look like perfect match to me. Same time, same technique, same material and design.

4th February 2009, 03:36 PM	#8
ingvar Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 11	the blade does look turkish? but it was made for decorative purposes only. regarding the matching scabbard. whoever ordered to make this this definately had money to pick a guy who can match the pommel design.