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Old 4th February 2009, 01:30 AM   #1
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Lovely sword. very similar simple crossguard to one I have which was discussed here.
That's another inconsistency: everything looks European and is made of silver, but the crossguard is of Persian type and iron...
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Old 4th February 2009, 01:45 AM   #2
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That's another inconsistency: everything looks European and is made of silver, but the crossguard is of Persian type and iron...

Its certainly a mix of um styles.
The engraved 'crest' on the blade with the horse in it is interesting. The Crown does look like the Russian Imperial crown, and the sword crossed with the arrow looks like a 'saif'. But the overall 'look' of the engraving looks like its from that part of the world, so is it an addition or original to the blade?
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Old 4th February 2009, 03:06 AM   #3
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OK, here is other side of the blade
http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.sor...90951982181378

And the bigger album - http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.soroka/KozakCossack#

See yourself, what do like...to talk about. I have few more pics on my home comp.
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Old 4th February 2009, 03:32 AM   #4
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The picture of the Virgin looks like a Russian orthodox representation.

Interesting it has the flower like this one:




'Virgin Mary in Blue/Fragrant Flower

The icon depicts the Child seated on the Virgin Mary’s left arm and a stalk of a white lily in her right hand. The icon was kept in the Pokrov Monastery of Voronezh. The flower is symbolic of the unfading bloom of virginity. '



Damn! you've got some nice weapons in those pictures!
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Old 4th February 2009, 03:38 AM   #5
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Why Russian?
Christian tradition of Moscovia 300 years ago (Russia now) coming out from Kyivska Rus' - current Ukraine.
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Old 4th February 2009, 03:42 AM   #6
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And yes, thank you, Atlantia.
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Old 4th February 2009, 04:02 AM   #7
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Why Russian?
Christian tradition of Moscovia 300 years ago (Russia now) coming out from Kyivska Rus' - current Ukraine.
Sorry, I mean that part of the universe. (getting too old I think! Its all still the USSR in my head!)
Its an orthodox Christian image.

I guess a way to possibly pin it geographically is by the other elements of the horse crest/coat or arms?
The crossed sword and arrow is distinctlive.
Apart from that.
The crown looks like the Russian one, the silverwork looks like that on 'cossak' belts, the icon is an Orthodox one.

Seems like its been in 'that' area.

Remounted captured or imported weapon?
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Old 4th February 2009, 05:14 AM   #8
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Default Cossack's saif?

its a very nice parade sabre, hence the blade is intact.

pommel is and obvious trophy arab saif. scabbard all silver with a snake skin.

The blade, since it wasnt used in combat, is of a fair quality, not sahrpened. One side has a depiction of Pokrova - cossacks safeguard the other side has the badge of the military unit the owner would belong to. in this case its the Kodak Palanka on the Dnieper. Badge circa 1770 i think.
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Old 4th February 2009, 07:07 AM   #9
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This is a Hyderabad Arab sword with a European blade, mounted in probably an Eastern European scabbard. Lot of trade between Asia, Caucasus, Russia etc.
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OK, here is other side of the blade
http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.sor...90951982181378

And the bigger album - http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.soroka/KozakCossack#

See yourself, what do like...to talk about. I have few more pics on my home comp.

From the album #7 has an inscription in square kufic script and #17 is a royal signature, probably 19th century.

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Old 5th February 2009, 01:52 AM   #11
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Rand,
Any idea what that seal means?
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Old 8th February 2009, 12:38 AM   #12
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Hi all, I have nothing of value to say, but some pics to contribute. This is a similar sword to the one being discussed, so I thought it may be of interest to other contributors. Best regards to all,
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