Cossack's saif?

Yustas · 3rd February 2009, 10:27 PM

Unfortunately (or fortunatly) it is not mine, and not for sale. This is a museum's piece. I was trying to figure out how it is related to Ukrainian Cosscks. does this herald mean anything? It looks like a seal of one of the polks (regiments) for me.

ariel · 3rd February 2009, 11:14 PM

The more I look, the more queries I have.
The horse is very "artistic":kind of " free spirit", instead of heraldic military. Looks almost modern to me. And why is a part of the stamp located on the edge, without noticeable damage? Wasn't the blade sharpened?
What museum is this one and the other one come from?

Atlantia · 3rd February 2009, 11:36 PM

Lovely sword. very similar simple crossguard to one I have which was discussed here.

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 12:27 AM

Let's just say it is a small museum in USA.
The whole blade and handle is in very good shape, almoust no use. Looks like it was sharpened once in lifetime, no dents on the blade, so no reason for picture to fade, or distort.
I'll post picture of Mary with Child that is on the other side. (When i get home)
But my main point here is to figure out it's relation to Ukrainian history.
First, is it real?
Second, when approximately was it made?
Third, where it was made?
Same questins to the other sabre. I would really appreciate your taughts.
By the way, i have pictures for some other beutifull pieces for discussion if you're interested.

ariel · 4th February 2009, 01:28 AM

More swords?
Na-a-a-a-h... too boring :-)
But of course, post away! That's the whole idea!

ariel · 4th February 2009, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Lovely sword. very similar simple crossguard to one I have which was discussed here.

That's another inconsistency: everything looks European and is made of silver, but the crossguard is of Persian type and iron...

Atlantia · 4th February 2009, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

That's another inconsistency: everything looks European and is made of silver, but the crossguard is of Persian type and iron...

Its certainly a mix of um styles.
The engraved 'crest' on the blade with the horse in it is interesting. The Crown does look like the Russian Imperial crown, and the sword crossed with the arrow looks like a 'saif'. But the overall 'look' of the engraving looks like its from that part of the world, so is it an addition or original to the blade?

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 03:06 AM

OK, here is other side of the blade
http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.sor...90951982181378

And the bigger album - http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.soroka/KozakCossack#

See yourself, what do like...to talk about. I have few more pics on my home comp.

Atlantia · 4th February 2009, 03:32 AM

The picture of the Virgin looks like a Russian orthodox representation.

Interesting it has the flower like this one:

'Virgin Mary in Blue/Fragrant Flower

The icon depicts the Child seated on the Virgin Mary’s left arm and a stalk of a white lily in her right hand. The icon was kept in the Pokrov Monastery of Voronezh. The flower is symbolic of the unfading bloom of virginity. '

Damn! you've got some nice weapons in those pictures!

rand · 4th February 2009, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yustas

OK, here is other side of the blade
http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.sor...90951982181378

And the bigger album - http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.soroka/KozakCossack#

See yourself, what do like...to talk about. I have few more pics on my home comp.

From the album #7 has an inscription in square kufic script and #17 is a royal signature, probably 19th century.

rand

3rd February 2009, 10:27 PM	#1
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	Hm :) Unfortunately (or fortunatly) it is not mine, and not for sale. This is a museum's piece. I was trying to figure out how it is related to Ukrainian Cosscks. does this herald mean anything? It looks like a seal of one of the polks (regiments) for me.

3rd February 2009, 11:14 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The more I look, the more queries I have. The horse is very "artistic":kind of " free spirit", instead of heraldic military. Looks almost modern to me. And why is a part of the stamp located on the edge, without noticeable damage? Wasn't the blade sharpened? What museum is this one and the other one come from?

3rd February 2009, 11:36 PM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Lovely sword. very similar simple crossguard to one I have which was discussed here.

4th February 2009, 12:27 AM	#4
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	Let's just say it is a small museum in USA. The whole blade and handle is in very good shape, almoust no use. Looks like it was sharpened once in lifetime, no dents on the blade, so no reason for picture to fade, or distort. I'll post picture of Mary with Child that is on the other side. (When i get home) But my main point here is to figure out it's relation to Ukrainian history. First, is it real? Second, when approximately was it made? Third, where it was made? Same questins to the other sabre. I would really appreciate your taughts. By the way, i have pictures for some other beutifull pieces for discussion if you're interested.

4th February 2009, 01:28 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	More swords? Na-a-a-a-h... too boring :-) But of course, post away! That's the whole idea!

4th February 2009, 03:06 AM	#8
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	OK, here is other side of the blade http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.sor...90951982181378 And the bigger album - http://picasaweb.google.com/yura.soroka/KozakCossack# See yourself, what do like...to talk about. I have few more pics on my home comp.

4th February 2009, 03:32 AM	#9
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	The picture of the Virgin looks like a Russian orthodox representation. Interesting it has the flower like this one: 'Virgin Mary in Blue/Fragrant Flower The icon depicts the Child seated on the Virgin Mary’s left arm and a stalk of a white lily in her right hand. The icon was kept in the Pokrov Monastery of Voronezh. The flower is symbolic of the unfading bloom of virginity. ' Damn! you've got some nice weapons in those pictures!