Katipunan sword

scratch · 31st January 2009, 09:18 AM

Very.
Thank you for sharing.

Dan

Maurice · 31st January 2009, 09:59 AM

Hi Carlos,

How old do you think it is, and was it for real use ? ( I myself am very suspiscious when such text is carved in the blade).

I am not familiar with these sort of weaponry, but thanks for sharing.

Oh...Came the pelt lying beneath with it? Than it probably was a philipino bullock or cow!

Regards,
Maurice

carlos · 31st January 2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Carlos,

How old do you think it is, and was it for real use ? ( I myself am very suspiscious when such text is carved in the blade).

I am not familiar with these sort of weaponry, but thanks for sharing.

Oh...Came the pelt lying beneath with it? Than it probably was a philipino bullock or cow!

Regards,
Maurice

Hi Maurice!!
I think is a real sword, the sword has a beatiful patina and marks of battle. I have looking for in internet about the words engraved and the symbol is a symbol of katipunan.
The pelt was from my pet, he bite one of my swords!!

Regards
carlos

Dimasalang · 1st February 2009, 08:44 AM

WOW! Very nice!!!

San Miguel de Mayumo is the old name for San Miguel, Bulacan Province. Biak na Bato is also located within San Miguel...Biak na Bato was the old headquarters for Aguinaldos revolutionary government(pre-1st Republic). I initially thought this sword maybe from the "revolution" because of the San Miguel de Mayumo inscribed on the blade. But looking at the symbol(sun face and triangle) and "La Republica Filipinas", it indicates it is from the "Philippines 1st Republic"...in other words from the Philippine American War era. Malolos, Bulacan was the location of the 1st Republic. My guess would be this sword belonged to a General(Jefe) or officer of the San Miguel district.

After lurking and searching through older threads, I notice most refer to any sword of this era(Philippine American War) as "Katipunan" Swords. To be politically correct, all swords/bolos/daggers designed and made after the Tejeros Convention are no longer Katipunan. In history, the Katipunan was only active during the "Revolution". The real Katipunan organization ended after the Tejeros Convention took place(March 1897)...the Katipunan group was dissolved completely, changed names, and evolved in to Aguinaldos revolutionary government...and when Aguinaldo returned after the battle of Manila and set up another government in Malolos, the organization again evolved and became the "Republica Filipinas"(Republic of the Philippines). Andres Bonifacio was the father of the Katipunan, most hardcore enthusiasts believe, when Andres Bonifacio died, the Katipunan died along with him(Aguinaldo had him killed). The Sun Face is a Katipunan symbol but when it is placed "within" the Triangle it is more associated with Aguinaldos government, being he specifically asked for this symbol on the 1st Philippine Flag in 1898...the sun face triangle didn't exist during the Katipunan era. I know most veteranos of Aguinaldos government still considered themselves "Katipunans", this is because they took the blood oath for an old organization they still believed in, and they fought in both the revolution and Phil-Am War... so they can be defined as both, the Katipunan first and the first soldiers of the 1st republic. Many soldiers/generals/officers also did not take part in the Revolution and did not take the blood oath...they are not Katipunan members and do not refer to themselves as such. Many historians are quick to correct people on these two differences. Me personally, I dont care which is used for swords, but I thought I would just throw this info out there.

Sorry for the off topic rambling.

carlos · 1st February 2009, 09:01 AM

Thank you very much for the information, is a pleasure read this type of post with all this information.
Thanks again
carlos

Anandalal N. · 1st February 2009, 10:55 AM

Hi Carlos,

I am no expert on this type of sword but do have some expertiese on snakes. I believe what we see on the hilt is a constrictor snake about to swallow a gecko. The hilt shows very good observation on the part of the artist. It depicts the typical body postion of a constrictor snake that has coiled round a gecko or such other lizard and is about to commence swallowing which takes place head first since this way the limbs of the gecko do not interfere with the swallowing process. The presence of eyelids in the prey and the head shape indicate a gecko and not a second snake. Hope that is useful. It is certainly an interesting sword. Does the hilt design have some talismanic value?

kino · 1st February 2009, 03:45 PM

Carlos, nice catch. A sword of great historical value.

Dimasalang, Thanks for sharing your history knowledge. It is greatly appreciated. Mabuhay!

1st February 2009, 08:44 AM	#4
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	WOW! Very nice!!! San Miguel de Mayumo is the old name for San Miguel, Bulacan Province. Biak na Bato is also located within San Miguel...Biak na Bato was the old headquarters for Aguinaldos revolutionary government(pre-1st Republic). I initially thought this sword maybe from the "revolution" because of the San Miguel de Mayumo inscribed on the blade. But looking at the symbol(sun face and triangle) and "La Republica Filipinas", it indicates it is from the "Philippines 1st Republic"...in other words from the Philippine American War era. Malolos, Bulacan was the location of the 1st Republic. My guess would be this sword belonged to a General(Jefe) or officer of the San Miguel district. After lurking and searching through older threads, I notice most refer to any sword of this era(Philippine American War) as "Katipunan" Swords. To be politically correct, all swords/bolos/daggers designed and made after the Tejeros Convention are no longer Katipunan. In history, the Katipunan was only active during the "Revolution". The real Katipunan organization ended after the Tejeros Convention took place(March 1897)...the Katipunan group was dissolved completely, changed names, and evolved in to Aguinaldos revolutionary government...and when Aguinaldo returned after the battle of Manila and set up another government in Malolos, the organization again evolved and became the "Republica Filipinas"(Republic of the Philippines). Andres Bonifacio was the father of the Katipunan, most hardcore enthusiasts believe, when Andres Bonifacio died, the Katipunan died along with him(Aguinaldo had him killed). The Sun Face is a Katipunan symbol but when it is placed "within" the Triangle it is more associated with Aguinaldos government, being he specifically asked for this symbol on the 1st Philippine Flag in 1898...the sun face triangle didn't exist during the Katipunan era. I know most veteranos of Aguinaldos government still considered themselves "Katipunans", this is because they took the blood oath for an old organization they still believed in, and they fought in both the revolution and Phil-Am War... so they can be defined as both, the Katipunan first and the first soldiers of the 1st republic. Many soldiers/generals/officers also did not take part in the Revolution and did not take the blood oath...they are not Katipunan members and do not refer to themselves as such. Many historians are quick to correct people on these two differences. Me personally, I dont care which is used for swords, but I thought I would just throw this info out there. Sorry for the off topic rambling. Last edited by Dimasalang; 1st February 2009 at 08:59 AM.

1st February 2009, 09:01 AM	#5
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 751	Thanks!!! Thank you very much for the information, is a pleasure read this type of post with all this information. Thanks again carlos

31st January 2009, 09:18 AM	#1
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	Very. Thank you for sharing. Dan

31st January 2009, 09:59 AM	#2
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Hi Carlos, How old do you think it is, and was it for real use ? ( I myself am very suspiscious when such text is carved in the blade). I am not familiar with these sort of weaponry, but thanks for sharing. Oh...Came the pelt lying beneath with it? Than it probably was a philipino bullock or cow! Regards, Maurice

1st February 2009, 10:55 AM	#6
Anandalal N. Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 84	Hi Carlos, I am no expert on this type of sword but do have some expertiese on snakes. I believe what we see on the hilt is a constrictor snake about to swallow a gecko. The hilt shows very good observation on the part of the artist. It depicts the typical body postion of a constrictor snake that has coiled round a gecko or such other lizard and is about to commence swallowing which takes place head first since this way the limbs of the gecko do not interfere with the swallowing process. The presence of eyelids in the prey and the head shape indicate a gecko and not a second snake. Hope that is useful. It is certainly an interesting sword. Does the hilt design have some talismanic value?

1st February 2009, 03:45 PM	#7
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	Carlos, nice catch. A sword of great historical value. Dimasalang, Thanks for sharing your history knowledge. It is greatly appreciated. Mabuhay!