Help with Philippine Sword

Gonzalo G · 29th January 2009, 07:01 AM

The only reference I have found to this sword, in several languajes, comes from this single interview to Leo Giron. Maybe in philippino languaje there is some other reference.
Regards

Gonzalo

Nonoy Tan · 29th January 2009, 05:29 PM

Hi Tom,

You may want to inspect this book: "The collection of primitive weapons and armor of the Philippine islands in the United States National museum, (Smithsonian institution. United States National museum. Bulletin 137)"

It has a list of Philippine weapons in their local names.

Unfortunately, I am travelling and do not have my copy to check for you

Dimasalang · 29th January 2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

The only reference I have found to this sword, in several languajes, comes from this single interview to Leo Giron. Maybe in philippino languaje there is some other reference.
Regards

Gonzalo

Being Leo Giron was born in Pangasinan, aside from Tagalog(the universal language), most likely he was raised speaking Ilocano and Pangasinan dialects. My family on my mothers side stems from Pangasinan(she speaks all 3 languages). I just spoke with my uncle, he has never heard of the name or term "talonason"...not to say it is not of Ilocos, but he has never heard the term in or around Pangasinan. In WWII most guerrilla fighting took place in Northern Luzon(majority Ilocano country). Maybe someone who is pure Ilocano or of another dialect from northern Luzon may know. Nearly all of them have different names for sword or bolo.

Luzon may just be one island, but it is the largest main island and it is huge(42,000sq miles). Pangasinan was a heavily controlled and influenced province during the Spanish era. Actually, nearly all of Luzon was heavily influenced by the Spanish, except for the remote mountain regions of northern Luzon...so I wouldn't think of the sword to be truly unique or out of the ordinary. This sword may just remain a mystery since GM Leo seems to be the only one who has ever referred to it.

Rick · 29th January 2009, 06:44 PM

May be found on this page under Philippine ..

http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/index.html

t_c · 29th January 2009, 09:01 PM

Thanks everyone for all your help. I'll have to go through Krieger again. I don't recall seeing anything in there that fits the description, but I cruised through it pretty quickly. Haste makes waste....

tom

Robert · 29th January 2009, 10:16 PM

T_C, Here is the picture I promised. The two on the top are the longest. Te top one is 33 inches in length and the one under it is about 31 inches. All of these are from the Philippines and most but not all of these are probably from Luzon. I have removed the scabbards (from the ones that still had them)

so you can see the blades better. I hope that this might help. I have plenty of other shorter bolos but as I said before nothing of the length you are talking about.

Robert

t_c · 30th January 2009, 04:31 AM

Thanks Robert - it's a huge help! Those are great to see - nice collection.

ariel · 30th January 2009, 03:48 PM

Didn't we just discussed a long sword from Luzon?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8116

Is it possible that it is the answer to your query?

29th January 2009, 06:44 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Kreiger's Plates May be found on this page under Philippine .. http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/index.html

29th January 2009, 10:16 PM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	T_C, Here is the picture I promised. The two on the top are the longest. Te top one is 33 inches in length and the one under it is about 31 inches. All of these are from the Philippines and most but not all of these are probably from Luzon. I have removed the scabbards (from the ones that still had them) so you can see the blades better. I hope that this might help. I have plenty of other shorter bolos but as I said before nothing of the length you are talking about. Robert Attached Images

29th January 2009, 07:01 AM	#1
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	The only reference I have found to this sword, in several languajes, comes from this single interview to Leo Giron. Maybe in philippino languaje there is some other reference. Regards Gonzalo

29th January 2009, 05:29 PM	#2
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Hi Tom, You may want to inspect this book: "The collection of primitive weapons and armor of the Philippine islands in the United States National museum, (Smithsonian institution. United States National museum. Bulletin 137)" It has a list of Philippine weapons in their local names. Unfortunately, I am travelling and do not have my copy to check for you

29th January 2009, 09:01 PM	#5
t_c Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ca, usa Posts: 92	Thanks everyone for all your help. I'll have to go through Krieger again. I don't recall seeing anything in there that fits the description, but I cruised through it pretty quickly. Haste makes waste.... tom

30th January 2009, 04:31 AM	#7
t_c Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ca, usa Posts: 92	Thanks Robert - it's a huge help! Those are great to see - nice collection.

30th January 2009, 03:48 PM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Didn't we just discussed a long sword from Luzon? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8116 Is it possible that it is the answer to your query?