War Dogs !!!

pallas · 28th January 2009, 06:54 AM

another rather interesting, if gory tidbit:

By the time of the American revolution, the use of dogs for repression had been scaled down, although some, most notably Benjamin Franklin, advocated for a revival. In 1775, he wrote to a friend: "Dogs should be used against the Indians. They should be large, strong and fierce.... In case of meeting a party of the enemy, the dogs are all then to be turned loose and set on. They will be fresher and finer for having been previously confined and will confound the enemy a good deal and be very serviceable...."

Ben Franklin's suggestion was not adopted until 1840, when Secretary of War Joel Poinsett authorized the purchase of the 33 bloodhounds from Cuba (at $151.72 a piece) for offensive use against the Seminole Indians and escaped slaves who had taken refuge among them in western Florida and Louisana (see: 1840 political cartoon vilifying the Van Buren administration's decision to use bloodhounds to hunt down Indians).

Bill M · 28th January 2009, 11:10 AM

My wife, Anne's fiercest scowl and her war dog. 1897 Winchester 12 ga trench shotgun.

Atlantia · 28th January 2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

My wife, Anne's fiercest scowl and her war dog. 1897 Winchester 12 ga trench shotgun.

Dogs are smart! They know when to keep their distance!

You're a trusting man Bill! I stand well back when my mrs has something sharp in her hands!

Spunjer · 28th January 2009, 02:08 PM

Guardians of the Swords. my Wardogs, descended from the bandogs of yore:

Pinky (APBT):

Mr. Beast F. McLovin' aka Beastie (American Bully)

Beastie with Pinky:

Beastie's lineage. these aren't mine. just hoping Beastie turns out like them..

Dad

and Granddaddy

any questions?

Bill M · 28th January 2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

Guardians of the Swords. my Wardogs, descended from the bandogs of yore:

any questions?

Whoa! Hope that Beastie looks like Dad and especially Granddad! Awesome dogs!

Spunjer · 29th January 2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Whoa! Hope that Beastie looks like Dad and especially Granddad! Awesome dogs!

thanks bill! seriously, they wouldn't hurt a fly. they'll lick you with reckless abandon tho.

oh, and here's Rajah, our not-so-little lap dog:

and Pickles, the designated house 'cat':

Rick · 29th January 2009, 06:47 PM

They are wonderful dogs that have gotten a bad rap .
Nice pups Ron .

pallas · 29th January 2009, 06:54 PM

it wasent my intent to start an uproar

and gonzalo, the alano is a mastiff, albeit smaller than the mastin espanol.

it seems both the alano and mastin espanol where used in the conquest of the new world, but the evidence (the existing molosser/mastiff breeds in the former spanish empire in the new world/canary islands, all of which are short coated and strongly resemble the alano rather of the huge somewhat shaggy coated mastin) points to the alano being in wider use than the mastin.

i also wasent trying to say the spanish were any more brutal than any other colonial power, i know that the same kind of warfare was common in parts of europe.......its just that the spanish wardogs are more "celebrated" if you like, than those of the english, french, dutch or others.

again, no intention of causing offense.

anyways:

http://bttbab.com/dogs_of_war.htm

http://bttbab.com/Spanish%20Influence.htm

some interesting reading on how the spanish dogs in florida/georgia influenced later american dogs

katana · 29th January 2009, 07:27 PM

Well here we have my 'animal army'

Sky and Barney .....Barney is a 'failed' military 'black project' in genetic splicing of a Ewok and dog ......not particularly fearsome but he gets quite agitated when he sees an Imperial storm trooper.

Sky is a 2000 series K9 attack model ( this model has the electronically enhanced vision), from the year 2234, sent back by the 'machines' to annihilate mankind ....so far she hasn't done a very good job.....I think her 'programming' is corrupted ....unless her true mission was to lick mankind to extinction.

Then we have the 4 commando cats ....each with its own 'specialist camouflage' for differing terrains, Harley (black cat) is particularly useful as a Ninja / Night-time infiltrator, the fourth cat, 'kitten' was out on a 'secret op' ......so missed the 'photo call'

continued next post...

Bill M · 28th January 2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Dogs are smart! They know when to keep their distance!

You're a trusting man Bill! I stand well back when my mrs has something sharp in her hands!

Sixteen inch blade on this bayonet.

BTW bayonets are one of the few bladed weapons illegal to carry in Georgia (USA) because Georgia Sate law says it is illegal to carry any blade made to kill people. Virtually nothing else comes under this heading than bayonets. Asked a SWAT cop.

We are able to carry long guns anywhere we want with no permit. Open carry of pistols is also ok. Concealed pistols require an easy-to-get license. Could also carry a bayonet with this license.

We have some of the most liberal weapons laws in the country. About 20 years ago Kennesaw Georgia (Atlanta suburb) passed a law that every head of household was REQUIRED to own a gun. Crime plummeted and has stayed down in that town.

Unfortunately dogs, including war dogs, are not too welcome inside most businesses, though it is usually ok to walk the on a lease almost anywhere else.

Atlantia · 28th January 2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Sixteen inch blade on this bayonet.

BTW bayonets are one of the few bladed weapons illegal to carry in Georgia (USA) because Georgia Sate law says it is illegal to carry any blade made to kill people. Virtually nothing else comes under this heading than bayonets. Asked a SWAT cop.

We are able to carry long guns anywhere we want with no permit. Open carry of pistols is also ok. Concealed pistols require an easy-to-get license. Could also carry a bayonet with this license.

We have some of the most liberal weapons laws in the country. About 20 years ago Kennesaw Georgia (Atlanta suburb) passed a law that every head of household was REQUIRED to own a gun. Crime plummeted and has stayed down in that town.

Unfortunately dogs, including war dogs, are not too welcome inside most businesses, though it is usually ok to walk the on a lease almost anywhere else.

Wow, thats an amazing difference from the UK.

Explains why your good lady doesn't look too shocked at being asked to pose with the Remington.

My mrs isn't safe peeling spuds!
Always cuts herself!
She's smart as a whip but just completely accident prone! Shouldn't be allowed near sharp things!
EVER!

28th January 2009, 11:10 AM	#2
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katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Well here we have my 'animal army' Sky and Barney .....Barney is a 'failed' military 'black project' in genetic splicing of a Ewok and dog ......not particularly fearsome but he gets quite agitated when he sees an Imperial storm trooper. Sky is a 2000 series K9 attack model ( this model has the electronically enhanced vision), from the year 2234, sent back by the 'machines' to annihilate mankind ....so far she hasn't done a very good job.....I think her 'programming' is corrupted ....unless her true mission was to lick mankind to extinction. Then we have the 4 commando cats ....each with its own 'specialist camouflage' for differing terrains, Harley (black cat) is particularly useful as a Ninja / Night-time infiltrator, the fourth cat, 'kitten' was out on a 'secret op' ......so missed the 'photo call' continued next post... Last edited by katana; 30th January 2009 at 11:29 AM.

28th January 2009, 06:54 AM	#1
pallas Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 53	another rather interesting, if gory tidbit: By the time of the American revolution, the use of dogs for repression had been scaled down, although some, most notably Benjamin Franklin, advocated for a revival. In 1775, he wrote to a friend: "Dogs should be used against the Indians. They should be large, strong and fierce.... In case of meeting a party of the enemy, the dogs are all then to be turned loose and set on. They will be fresher and finer for having been previously confined and will confound the enemy a good deal and be very serviceable...." Ben Franklin's suggestion was not adopted until 1840, when Secretary of War Joel Poinsett authorized the purchase of the 33 bloodhounds from Cuba (at $151.72 a piece) for offensive use against the Seminole Indians and escaped slaves who had taken refuge among them in western Florida and Louisana (see: 1840 political cartoon vilifying the Van Buren administration's decision to use bloodhounds to hunt down Indians).

28th January 2009, 02:08 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Guardians of the Swords. my Wardogs, descended from the bandogs of yore: Pinky (APBT): Mr. Beast F. McLovin' aka Beastie (American Bully) Beastie with Pinky: Beastie's lineage. these aren't mine. just hoping Beastie turns out like them.. Dad and Granddaddy any questions?

29th January 2009, 06:47 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	They are wonderful dogs that have gotten a bad rap . Nice pups Ron .

29th January 2009, 06:54 PM	#8
pallas Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 53	it wasent my intent to start an uproar and gonzalo, the alano is a mastiff, albeit smaller than the mastin espanol. it seems both the alano and mastin espanol where used in the conquest of the new world, but the evidence (the existing molosser/mastiff breeds in the former spanish empire in the new world/canary islands, all of which are short coated and strongly resemble the alano rather of the huge somewhat shaggy coated mastin) points to the alano being in wider use than the mastin. i also wasent trying to say the spanish were any more brutal than any other colonial power, i know that the same kind of warfare was common in parts of europe.......its just that the spanish wardogs are more "celebrated" if you like, than those of the english, french, dutch or others. again, no intention of causing offense. anyways: http://bttbab.com/dogs_of_war.htm http://bttbab.com/Spanish%20Influence.htm some interesting reading on how the spanish dogs in florida/georgia influenced later american dogs