OTTOMAN PALA translation please

ilias · 17th January 2009, 05:22 PM

Just to add some more images

Battara · 18th January 2009, 02:34 AM

What a beautiful piece. Shame some of the koftgari is missing.

ariel · 18th January 2009, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

What a beautiful piece. Shame some of the koftgari is missing.

Like a loose woman's navel ( ahem...): got rubbed off due to heavy use

Please note the wootz: how many wootz Ottoman kilijes have you seen, folks?
That's what I call RARE!

Gonzalo G · 18th January 2009, 02:20 PM

!!Woww!!

Ilias: would you be so kind to provide us with some measures? One thing I never knew, is the thickness of the blade of this weapons at their base, not counting edge or T-spine. Is it heavy? Thank you for your attention.
Regards

Gonzalo

ilias · 18th January 2009, 03:26 PM

Thank you all for the good words you said about my sword.
Aslo Gonzalo about the mesurments I will provide them to you tomorrow but I can tell you right now the weight of the blade without the hilt and the guard.
It is 650 gr.Do you think it is light enough or not?

Gonzalo G · 20th January 2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilias

Thank you all for the good words you said about my sword.
Aslo Gonzalo about the mesurments I will provide them to you tomorrow but I can tell you right now the weight of the blade without the hilt and the guard.
It is 650 gr.Do you think it is light enough or not?

The hilt? Do you mean the wood slabs? Anyway, 650gr seems a very good weigh, I would say "light enough". I have suspected, or guessed, that somtimes the "T" spine is made on realtively thin blades, to give them more rigidity and less vibration, with less weight, but as I don´t have any "T" spined pieces I can´t make comparisons. Geometry and construction of the blades are a subject of my outmost interests, in antique and modern edged weapons. And photos rarely give idea of point of balance, weight, form of the edge and general measures, though some idea can be gotten. I belive this is an area relatively negleted on the description and study of antique weapons. I also suspect that the adornment of yataghans over the blade, made with brass or other metals, also helps to secure the handle and diminishes vibration on the moment of hitting it´s target, but I can´t be certain. Thank you for your attention.
Regards

Gonzalo

ingvar · 4th February 2009, 05:22 AM

one question. why people keep calling this "model" a pala. This is a 100% typical kilij.

maybe im wrong, but Pala (or persian name Gaddare) looked a bit different. there was several versions but the crossguard looked the same - bent in the direction of blade. Also most had the "anatomical" pommel, one like in the Karabela type.

17th January 2009, 05:22 PM	#1
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	Just to add some more images Attached Images

4th February 2009, 05:22 AM	#7
ingvar Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 11	one question. why people keep calling this "model" a pala. This is a 100% typical kilij. maybe im wrong, but Pala (or persian name Gaddare) looked a bit different. there was several versions but the crossguard looked the same - bent in the direction of blade. Also most had the "anatomical" pommel, one like in the Karabela type. Attached Images

18th January 2009, 02:34 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	What a beautiful piece. Shame some of the koftgari is missing.

18th January 2009, 02:20 PM	#4
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	!!Woww!! Ilias: would you be so kind to provide us with some measures? One thing I never knew, is the thickness of the blade of this weapons at their base, not counting edge or T-spine. Is it heavy? Thank you for your attention. Regards Gonzalo

18th January 2009, 03:26 PM	#5
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	Thank you all for the good words you said about my sword. Aslo Gonzalo about the mesurments I will provide them to you tomorrow but I can tell you right now the weight of the blade without the hilt and the guard. It is 650 gr.Do you think it is light enough or not?