what kind of sword?

ariel · 16th January 2009, 01:29 PM

See page 3 of this thread:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=gaddara
Astonishing similarity!

ilias · 16th January 2009, 02:11 PM

Dear Ariel.
Thanks for your reply.The thread was very enlightening.The similarity realy is ashtonishing.The hilt I believe is exactly the same.What about the blade?Does it seems right to you?Because it is more curved than the Irani Gaddara that you have showed.

ariel · 16th January 2009, 03:12 PM

It also does not have the etched cartouche. But they are hand-made, not mass-produced in China:-)
I'd like to read a discussion!

ilias · 16th January 2009, 07:27 PM

As i see the images again and again I wonder if there is any chance the blade to be an indian blade remounted with that hilt?Can anyone do a suggestion about the age of this sword?
Ariel as I read the past threads you said that the Irani Gaddaras that you have see are about 18th & 19th c.
Do you believe that the age of this sword is so?
Also I am confused as you said that these swords are handmade and not a China production.Do you believe that is recent ?
Sorry for so many questions that I make but because I am interested to buy it I want to know if it is a right purchase.
Thanks
Ilias

ariel · 17th January 2009, 03:19 AM

I do not know the age of this sword.
I suspect it to be 18-19th century.
The "China" comment was in jest: there are differences between the 2 examples and this is understandable, since they are not "mass-produced".
No, repeat: no, I do not think it was made in China.
Mine is very heavy and the blade is strange: when polished, it suggests a " damascus-like" pattern, but nothing obvious is revealed with etching. Perhaps, I am overdoing it? The pattern may be so subtle and small-grained, that my clumsy attempts with very diluted ferric oxide or even vinegar are masking it.
Or, it may just be plain steel...

ilias · 17th January 2009, 09:31 AM

Dear Ariel
Thanks for your reply.As about the attempt tha you have made to see if it has a damascus pattern may I suggest the only way that I have seen results at danascus blades?It is a combination of soda lemon and vinegar.
I wash the blade with a detergent to take all the grease that is on the blade.Then I wash it very good.After that I scrub the blade with a cutted at the middle lemon with soda powder on it.This will clean the blade perfectly.I wash it out and I dry the blade.Then I put it on hot vinegar with water.3 parts water 1vinegar.After a few moments any damascus pattern will come out perfectly.If the blade is etched for the first time and the pattern is not very clear I repeat the procces.To remove the yellow shadow fromvinegar I use a metal polish very soft.
I believe that you will see results.I have made it at a Pala sword that I have and the results were astonishing and also to an Indian tulvar.
Thanks again
Ilias

trenchwarfare · 17th January 2009, 04:19 PM

I don't know, cuz it's not my area but... The Chinese, and Indians ARE mass producing everything with a cutting edge. Lots of hand work, and topped-off with a realistic looking patina. Again, I'm not saying this piece is a fake. I don't know. I have just grown very leary in my old age. M.P.

spiral · 4th February 2009, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilias

It is a combination of soda lemon and vinegar.
I wash the blade with a detergent to take all the grease that is on the blade.Then I wash it very good.After that I scrub the blade with a cutted at the middle lemon with soda powder on it.

Ilias

When you say soda on the lemon what sort of soda do you mean?

Sodium carbonate {washing soda or soda ash }
Sodium bicarbonate {baking soda }
Sodium hydroxide {caustic soda ]

Cheers,
spiral

16th January 2009, 01:29 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	See page 3 of this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=gaddara Astonishing similarity!

16th January 2009, 02:11 PM	#2
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	Dear Ariel. Thanks for your reply.The thread was very enlightening.The similarity realy is ashtonishing.The hilt I believe is exactly the same.What about the blade?Does it seems right to you?Because it is more curved than the Irani Gaddara that you have showed.

16th January 2009, 03:12 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	It also does not have the etched cartouche. But they are hand-made, not mass-produced in China:-) I'd like to read a discussion!

16th January 2009, 07:27 PM	#4
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	As i see the images again and again I wonder if there is any chance the blade to be an indian blade remounted with that hilt?Can anyone do a suggestion about the age of this sword? Ariel as I read the past threads you said that the Irani Gaddaras that you have see are about 18th & 19th c. Do you believe that the age of this sword is so? Also I am confused as you said that these swords are handmade and not a China production.Do you believe that is recent ? Sorry for so many questions that I make but because I am interested to buy it I want to know if it is a right purchase. Thanks Ilias

17th January 2009, 03:19 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I do not know the age of this sword. I suspect it to be 18-19th century. The "China" comment was in jest: there are differences between the 2 examples and this is understandable, since they are not "mass-produced". No, repeat: no, I do not think it was made in China. Mine is very heavy and the blade is strange: when polished, it suggests a " damascus-like" pattern, but nothing obvious is revealed with etching. Perhaps, I am overdoing it? The pattern may be so subtle and small-grained, that my clumsy attempts with very diluted ferric oxide or even vinegar are masking it. Or, it may just be plain steel...

17th January 2009, 09:31 AM	#6
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	Dear Ariel Thanks for your reply.As about the attempt tha you have made to see if it has a damascus pattern may I suggest the only way that I have seen results at danascus blades?It is a combination of soda lemon and vinegar. I wash the blade with a detergent to take all the grease that is on the blade.Then I wash it very good.After that I scrub the blade with a cutted at the middle lemon with soda powder on it.This will clean the blade perfectly.I wash it out and I dry the blade.Then I put it on hot vinegar with water.3 parts water 1vinegar.After a few moments any damascus pattern will come out perfectly.If the blade is etched for the first time and the pattern is not very clear I repeat the procces.To remove the yellow shadow fromvinegar I use a metal polish very soft. I believe that you will see results.I have made it at a Pala sword that I have and the results were astonishing and also to an Indian tulvar. Thanks again Ilias

17th January 2009, 04:19 PM	#7
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	I don't know, cuz it's not my area but... The Chinese, and Indians ARE mass producing everything with a cutting edge. Lots of hand work, and topped-off with a realistic looking patina. Again, I'm not saying this piece is a fake. I don't know. I have just grown very leary in my old age. M.P.