Barong Classification

tom hyle · 17th April 2005, 06:29 AM

Fair to say that in the old days the individual threads in the fabric were likely made/spun/etc. within the tribe, but are now often outsourced off the open planetary market?

zamboanga · 17th April 2005, 08:34 AM

in older times, silk was traded from the chinese. it was not and is still not made locally. other materials used like abaca were and still are locally produced. modern ethnic fabrics even those from non-moro tribes are still hand-woven. the only difference are the materials used (threads, dyes, etc.) which are often commercially sourced, and the intended purpose (i.e., wall decors, table runners, etc). but the designs are basically the same.

Ian · 17th April 2005, 05:17 PM

Just finished on eBay. Recently made but illustrative of some of the Palawano style.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7314461834
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7314462329

Ian.

Battara · 17th April 2005, 07:35 PM

I think that these are examples of the "sipit barong" to which I was refering. Narrower blades, hilts more angularly flat at the top. I'm not sure if this type is a more recent type or one that has not been recognized (the examples here are very new).

Ian · 17th April 2005, 11:19 PM

I was hoping you would make a linkage between the sipit barung and those recent Palawano examples. How about some of these new ones from Northern Borneo and another older example that I posted on the former Forum site and found here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001304.html

These have some superficial similarities to the Palawano barung, most notably the narrow blade profile, but they are clearly a different genre with respect to the narrow fullers and other blade decorations.

One more variety to add to our growing list of barung from various places.

Ian.

Spunjer · 17th April 2005, 11:31 PM

thanks for the link, ian... reading it right now

17th April 2005, 05:17 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,396	Two Palawano barung ... Just finished on eBay. Recently made but illustrative of some of the Palawano style. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7314461834 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7314462329 Ian. Last edited by Ian; 17th April 2005 at 05:29 PM.

17th April 2005, 11:19 PM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,396	Thanks Battara ... I was hoping you would make a linkage between the sipit barung and those recent Palawano examples. How about some of these new ones from Northern Borneo and another older example that I posted on the former Forum site and found here: http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001304.html These have some superficial similarities to the Palawano barung, most notably the narrow blade profile, but they are clearly a different genre with respect to the narrow fullers and other blade decorations. One more variety to add to our growing list of barung from various places. Ian.

17th April 2005, 06:29 AM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Fair to say that in the old days the individual threads in the fabric were likely made/spun/etc. within the tribe, but are now often outsourced off the open planetary market?

17th April 2005, 08:34 AM	#2
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	in older times, silk was traded from the chinese. it was not and is still not made locally. other materials used like abaca were and still are locally produced. modern ethnic fabrics even those from non-moro tribes are still hand-woven. the only difference are the materials used (threads, dyes, etc.) which are often commercially sourced, and the intended purpose (i.e., wall decors, table runners, etc). but the designs are basically the same.

17th April 2005, 07:35 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I think that these are examples of the "sipit barong" to which I was refering. Narrower blades, hilts more angularly flat at the top. I'm not sure if this type is a more recent type or one that has not been recognized (the examples here are very new).

17th April 2005, 11:31 PM	#6
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	thanks for the link, ian... reading it right now