My second Kamp

Flavio · 31st December 2008, 05:03 PM

Hi all!! I know you have seen a plethora of these, but it's my second one and I'm really happy with it: nice blade lamination, nice carvings, nice patination of the wood, iron guard...

I'd like to restore the hilt rattan wrapping so any suggestion is welcome!! I already find the old treads to how weave rattan.
Especially I'd like to know the width of the rattan I need. Attached are also a couple of pictures of Rick's kampilan, I'd like to do something like that.
Thank you an HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

VVV · 31st December 2008, 05:18 PM

Congratulations Flavio!

A very nice one.

Michael

Flavio · 31st December 2008, 05:22 PM

Thank you Michael

Battara · 31st December 2008, 05:24 PM

Nice carvings on the hilt.

Bill M · 31st December 2008, 05:45 PM

Congratulations! Very nice!

Lew · 31st December 2008, 06:05 PM

Flavio

Very nice my friend but I feel of late you are straying too far from your African path

.

Felice Anno Nuovo!

Lew

Maurice · 31st December 2008, 06:20 PM

Hi Flavio,

Congrats, I like this one very much. Nice old patin on the hilt and especially I like the carvings at the bottomside of the handguard. Also the blade shows great lamination.
When you consider wrap the hilt again with ratan, please don't use the "natural" light coloured ratan.

Maurice

Rick · 31st December 2008, 07:19 PM

Hi Flavio, if you need any other pictures to go by in your restoration I'll be glad to help out .

Rick

Robert · 1st January 2009, 12:27 AM

Nice find!!! I particularly like the carving on the grip and guard.

Please post more pictures if you re wrap the grip.

Robert

migueldiaz · 1st January 2009, 07:27 AM

Sweet and super! Congrats, Flavio!

PS - I'd swear I'd seen 'er in some korner or edge of the Web before

Or maybe it was just my imagination!

Flavio · 1st January 2009, 11:57 AM

Thank you dear friends!!!

Hola Miguel!! yes, you're right it comes from Erik

Maurice, I will stain rattan for sure, I don't like the natural color, I will try to give a "lived" look at the rattan... or at least I will try

Thank you Rick, you are very kind

Can you give me the width of the rattan? the one used for the handle and the other crossing over the first one (yellow color)? Thank you so much!

Dear Lew.... yes I'm too far from Africa, but I will try to find some african pieces in the next future!

Rick · 1st January 2009, 04:37 PM

Hi Flavio, here are the widths of the rattan strips .
I hope you don't mind doing the conversions from inches to mm .

The three bands on the handle are 1/32 of an inch wide strips; they are plaited double strands to make the bands .
The outer wrap is of rattan a bit wider than 1/16 of an inch .

As I say, if you'd like 360 degree shots of the overweave etc. I'll be glad to provide .

That is an old hilt with a beautiful patina from long use .
Good score !!

Have you thought about staining the rattan with either strong coffee or tea ?

Flavio · 1st January 2009, 06:28 PM

Hi Rick, thank you so much!! Yes if you can I really appreciate 360 degree shots, thanks again and yes I was thinking of staining the rattan with a mixture of coffee and tea. Than I will pass on the rattan something like shirluk to protect and to make shiny the rattan.

Grazie Rick

Rick · 1st January 2009, 07:53 PM

Hi Flavio, PM me an email address .

I took 10 quick closeups .

migueldiaz · 2nd January 2009, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavio

Hola Miguel!! yes, you're right it comes from Erik

Gracias for the comment, Flavio! That's what I thought

By the way, I'm also buying a kampilan from Erik. I'm sure I will have as much fun when I receive it.

Happy weaving with those rattan!

Gonzalo G · 2nd January 2009, 05:27 AM

Hi, very nice piece. Sorry for my ignorance, what are made of those loops on the guard and "pommel"? Which is their use? I can gess, but I prefer to have certain information. Thank you for your attention.
Regards

Gonzalo

Flavio · 2nd January 2009, 04:03 PM

Hi Gonzalo, if you mean the "loops" at the side of the wood guard it's just a bar of iron bended to be an additional guard. I don't remember where but I see also pictures of kampilans that show on both sides iron guards (maybe one of these kamps is in the collection of one of our members)

Gonzalo G · 3rd January 2009, 10:45 AM

Hi Flavio, thank you very much for the data. You are righ, the loops are only on the guard, I made a mistake. Interesting construction. I am not familiar with this weapons, though I like them. I hope you enjoy this nice finding.
Regards

Gonzalo

Flavio · 11th January 2009, 10:44 AM

Well... it is not finished yet, a long way to go....this is just an updating...

Spunjer · 11th January 2009, 03:50 PM

now all you need is a brown kiwi shoe polish to get that honey patina on the rattan...

nice job. did you do the braiding?

Lew · 11th January 2009, 05:05 PM

Great work my friend. I wish I had the skill to this type of stuff.

Lew

Rick · 11th January 2009, 05:15 PM

Nice Flavio .
Are you going to carry on with the over wrap, or just leave it as it is ?

Flavio · 11th January 2009, 06:34 PM

Thank you all dear friends

Spunjer, great idea!! The colour is more dark than you can see from pics but I'll try some dark shoe polish!!

Rick, yes I think to do also the over wrapping in the next days and something more....

Lew, if you have something to send me (and I know you have!!!!) here I am

Ah! Spunjer, I have done the braiding

Flavio · 13th January 2009, 08:03 PM

Ok, I think it is finished, but I'd like to know from you what do you think on this: maybe I have gone over the restauration... I have added also an old (more than 100 years old) piece of rope, maybe it is better to remove it? what's your idea? and about the over wrapping? it's better the first version with a more simple wrapping? Sorry for the dark pics and the others with flash on, but here is already night...

Tim Simmons · 13th January 2009, 08:11 PM

I have a few jobs like that for you to do at my home.

very

Rick · 13th January 2009, 09:55 PM

Bravo !!

Flavio · 14th January 2009, 12:11 AM

Thank you Tim and Rick! So do you think that is not "too much restored"? something like a "fake".....

How much far one can go with the restoration?

Rick · 14th January 2009, 12:18 AM

IMO it's fine; I'd even darken up the overwrap a bit .
Are you having second thoughts ?

Flavio · 14th January 2009, 12:28 AM

Hi Rick,

I was thinking that maybe I have esagerated when I have added also the red rope... You know that if you believe that the rope is like an amulet, well in this case is really a non-sense to put the rope, but I have done this because another explanation, as Cato says, is that this pieces of rope were used also to assure a better grip...
About the overwrap is just a bit clearer than the wrap under, just the flash do not show the real color

Rick · 14th January 2009, 12:39 AM

The sash ?
No problem ...

Adds a nice touch !

31st December 2008, 05:03 PM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	My second Kamp Hi all!! I know you have seen a plethora of these, but it's my second one and I'm really happy with it: nice blade lamination, nice carvings, nice patination of the wood, iron guard... I'd like to restore the hilt rattan wrapping so any suggestion is welcome!! I already find the old treads to how weave rattan. Especially I'd like to know the width of the rattan I need. Attached are also a couple of pictures of Rick's kampilan, I'd like to do something like that. Thank you an HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Attached Images Last edited by Flavio; 31st December 2008 at 05:20 PM.

11th January 2009, 10:44 AM	#19
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Well... it is not finished yet, a long way to go....this is just an updating... Attached Images

11th January 2009, 06:34 PM	#23
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you all dear friends Spunjer, great idea!! The colour is more dark than you can see from pics but I'll try some dark shoe polish!! Rick, yes I think to do also the over wrapping in the next days and something more.... Lew, if you have something to send me (and I know you have!!!!) here I am Ah! Spunjer, I have done the braiding Last edited by Flavio; 12th January 2009 at 10:06 AM.

13th January 2009, 08:03 PM	#24
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Ok, I think it is finished, but I'd like to know from you what do you think on this: maybe I have gone over the restauration... I have added also an old (more than 100 years old) piece of rope, maybe it is better to remove it? what's your idea? and about the over wrapping? it's better the first version with a more simple wrapping? Sorry for the dark pics and the others with flash on, but here is already night... Attached Images

14th January 2009, 12:39 AM	#30
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	The sash ? No problem ... Adds a nice touch ! Attached Images

31st December 2008, 05:18 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Congratulations Flavio! A very nice one. Michael

31st December 2008, 05:22 PM	#3
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Michael

31st December 2008, 05:24 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Nice carvings on the hilt.

31st December 2008, 05:45 PM	#5
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Congratulations! Very nice!

31st December 2008, 06:05 PM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Flavio Very nice my friend but I feel of late you are straying too far from your African path . Felice Anno Nuovo! Lew

31st December 2008, 06:20 PM	#7
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,352	Hi Flavio, Congrats, I like this one very much. Nice old patin on the hilt and especially I like the carvings at the bottomside of the handguard. Also the blade shows great lamination. When you consider wrap the hilt again with ratan, please don't use the "natural" light coloured ratan. Maurice

31st December 2008, 07:19 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hi Flavio, if you need any other pictures to go by in your restoration I'll be glad to help out . Rick

1st January 2009, 12:27 AM	#9
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Nice find!!! I particularly like the carving on the grip and guard. Please post more pictures if you re wrap the grip. Robert

1st January 2009, 07:27 AM	#10
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Sweet and super! Congrats, Flavio! PS - I'd swear I'd seen 'er in some korner or edge of the Web before Or maybe it was just my imagination!

1st January 2009, 11:57 AM	#11
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you dear friends!!! Hola Miguel!! yes, you're right it comes from Erik Maurice, I will stain rattan for sure, I don't like the natural color, I will try to give a "lived" look at the rattan... or at least I will try Thank you Rick, you are very kind Can you give me the width of the rattan? the one used for the handle and the other crossing over the first one (yellow color)? Thank you so much! Dear Lew.... yes I'm too far from Africa, but I will try to find some african pieces in the next future!

1st January 2009, 04:37 PM	#12
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hi Flavio, here are the widths of the rattan strips . I hope you don't mind doing the conversions from inches to mm . The three bands on the handle are 1/32 of an inch wide strips; they are plaited double strands to make the bands . The outer wrap is of rattan a bit wider than 1/16 of an inch . As I say, if you'd like 360 degree shots of the overweave etc. I'll be glad to provide . That is an old hilt with a beautiful patina from long use . Good score !! Have you thought about staining the rattan with either strong coffee or tea ?

1st January 2009, 06:28 PM	#13
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi Rick, thank you so much!! Yes if you can I really appreciate 360 degree shots, thanks again and yes I was thinking of staining the rattan with a mixture of coffee and tea. Than I will pass on the rattan something like shirluk to protect and to make shiny the rattan. Grazie Rick

1st January 2009, 07:53 PM	#14
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hi Flavio, PM me an email address . I took 10 quick closeups .

2nd January 2009, 05:27 AM	#16
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Hi, very nice piece. Sorry for my ignorance, what are made of those loops on the guard and "pommel"? Which is their use? I can gess, but I prefer to have certain information. Thank you for your attention. Regards Gonzalo

2nd January 2009, 04:03 PM	#17
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi Gonzalo, if you mean the "loops" at the side of the wood guard it's just a bar of iron bended to be an additional guard. I don't remember where but I see also pictures of kampilans that show on both sides iron guards (maybe one of these kamps is in the collection of one of our members)

3rd January 2009, 10:45 AM	#18
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Hi Flavio, thank you very much for the data. You are righ, the loops are only on the guard, I made a mistake. Interesting construction. I am not familiar with this weapons, though I like them. I hope you enjoy this nice finding. Regards Gonzalo

11th January 2009, 03:50 PM	#20
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	now all you need is a brown kiwi shoe polish to get that honey patina on the rattan... nice job. did you do the braiding?

11th January 2009, 05:05 PM	#21
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Great work my friend. I wish I had the skill to this type of stuff. Lew

11th January 2009, 05:15 PM	#22
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Nice Flavio . Are you going to carry on with the over wrap, or just leave it as it is ?

13th January 2009, 08:11 PM	#25
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	I have a few jobs like that for you to do at my home. very

13th January 2009, 09:55 PM	#26
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Bravo !!

14th January 2009, 12:11 AM	#27
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Tim and Rick! So do you think that is not "too much restored"? something like a "fake"..... How much far one can go with the restoration?

14th January 2009, 12:18 AM	#28
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	IMO it's fine; I'd even darken up the overwrap a bit . Are you having second thoughts ?

14th January 2009, 12:28 AM	#29
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi Rick, I was thinking that maybe I have esagerated when I have added also the red rope... You know that if you believe that the rope is like an amulet, well in this case is really a non-sense to put the rope, but I have done this because another explanation, as Cato says, is that this pieces of rope were used also to assure a better grip... About the overwrap is just a bit clearer than the wrap under, just the flash do not show the real color