Am I overly paranoid

tom hyle · 16th April 2005, 02:01 PM

One thing you learn a lot from, but may not want to do if you're only into antiques is actually owning repros bought as repros for reasonable prices, because then you see what's around, and what the differences really are. But of course you only want to do that if you can afford it, and if like Conogre, you are going to enjoy the repros......
AFAIK, screws, though often raised as an objection, are common on European arms and armour starting in the 1600s, and possibly so early in India, as well; surely in the 1700s. Of course, such screws are hand made, and are only traditional in certain applications, usually (certainly to adjust the nasal bar of a helmet, for instance), so seeing modern screws or screws in wrong places can certainly be a tip off to repairs or modern manufacture. It's all so dang complicated; that's why we sometimes find ourselves only able to say "I know it when I see it"..............those auctions took too long to load for my impatient self; I didn't see it

Rick · 16th April 2005, 04:04 PM

My opinion would be that all three of these eBay pieces were made for the Western curio market . Most likely they were bought in the early 20thc. by Europeans or Americans taking the 'Grand Tour' .

The decoration on all three is below second rate .
The nasal guard on the helmet is not adjustable and was never meant to be .
The decoration on the three bladed dagger is positively atrocious .

As for Mike's pieces they seem to be of a much higher quality level, I find the picture contrast to be a little too high to properly view them for evaluation though ; Mike try the Gamma correction feature in your image program .

16th April 2005, 02:01 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	One thing you learn a lot from, but may not want to do if you're only into antiques is actually owning repros bought as repros for reasonable prices, because then you see what's around, and what the differences really are. But of course you only want to do that if you can afford it, and if like Conogre, you are going to enjoy the repros...... AFAIK, screws, though often raised as an objection, are common on European arms and armour starting in the 1600s, and possibly so early in India, as well; surely in the 1700s. Of course, such screws are hand made, and are only traditional in certain applications, usually (certainly to adjust the nasal bar of a helmet, for instance), so seeing modern screws or screws in wrong places can certainly be a tip off to repairs or modern manufacture. It's all so dang complicated; that's why we sometimes find ourselves only able to say "I know it when I see it"..............those auctions took too long to load for my impatient self; I didn't see it

16th April 2005, 04:04 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	My opinion would be that all three of these eBay pieces were made for the Western curio market . Most likely they were bought in the early 20thc. by Europeans or Americans taking the 'Grand Tour' . The decoration on all three is below second rate . The nasal guard on the helmet is not adjustable and was never meant to be . The decoration on the three bladed dagger is positively atrocious . As for Mike's pieces they seem to be of a much higher quality level, I find the picture contrast to be a little too high to properly view them for evaluation though ; Mike try the Gamma correction feature in your image program .