More info about Atjeh weapons?

[Mick]

I know that Michael remembers this one (and others like it), but the rest of you all might not have seen it.


http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=mick

[asomotif]

1st :
Michael,
Very nice sewar. Is it silver ?
This is something that you really don't see often.
But still I think I like rencong better.

2nd :
Ben,

but if they had the gold ferrule always see the marks

Here is the thread : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=aceh
and I am boroughing Fernando's pciture just for this thread.
For the record, Ben, you think this is not a mark from a missing ferrule.
Then I assume you regard this as a normal way of finishing the handle of a sikin

[Dajak]

Yes this is seen many times .

it is beter you go to groeneveld



Ben

[asomotif]

Yes this is seen many times .

it is beter you go to groeneveld

Does Groeneveld have sikins like this ?
Groeneveld, is that a collector or a museum ?
It sounds more like a opticien

Went to specsaver this summer, vision is perfectly fine.
I rest my case

[Maurice]

[VVV]

Originally Posted by asomotif

1st :
Michael,
Very nice sewar. Is it silver ?
This is something that you really don't see often.
But still I think I like rencong better.

Willem,

It's guilt silver. I also like the rencong better.
Here is my favourite version of crowns, gold and enamel.

Michael

[erikscollectables]

Okay with the risk of getting in the middle of a "fight" I'll give my opinion on Fernando's Sikin.

I think it did have a ferrule but not the pointed crown type or "poetjo" in Kreemers book (as on the rentjong in my photo) but a double crown of the "gloepa" or flower type according to Kreemer as the gold and suassa crown in my photo. Hence no points visible. It also explains the smalle size of the handle near the blade as Fernando already pointed out.

The "decoration" of the handle never continues on the location of the crown as far as I know now. I have seen a couple of dislocated crowns and those never have a decoration underneath.

My sikin with goldwork inlay clearly had a crown of the gloepa type, most likely a triple crown at that.
I recently have seen a great example with the same inlay type but also the crown still there! A "brother" of my sikin so to say.

Regards, Erik

[Dajak]

My sikin with goldwork inlay clearly had a crown of the gloepa type, most likely a triple crown at that.
I recently have seen a great example with the same inlay type but also the crown still there! A "brother" of my sikin so to say.

Regards, Erik[/QUOTE]


You do mean this one Erik

It is reserverd for Richard

Ben

[erikscollectables]

Indeed Ben,

That is the one I meant. A great example and indeed I heard Richard intended to buy it. It's nice to know what mine looked like before a Dutch soldier decided to harvest the gold....

By the way mine came with some other nice Atjeh weapons from the collection of a former KNIL general who served in the Atjeh region.
The heirs sold all items to a dealer I know from whom I could buy some nice pieces...

You do mean this one Erik

It is reserverd for Richard

Ben

[asomotif]

Here is my favourite version of crowns, gold and enamel.

Michael,
Very nice rencong, lovely patinated hilt.
How is the bottom part of the scabbard ? These are often pieces of art too.

[VVV]

It's also nice. But the discussion was on the crown variations...

Michael

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by VVV

It's also nice. But the discussion was on the crown variations...

Michael

The best that I know in private hands .



Ben

[erikscollectables]

Michael,

I am glad I do not have to make a choice here, both examples are really superb! Thanks for sharing!

Erik

Originally Posted by VVV

Willem,

It's guilt silver. I also like the rencong better.
Here is my favourite version of crowns, gold and enamel.

Michael

[Battara]

I truly love these rencong with gold crowns - if anyone wants to throw one away (or willing to sell) please let me know.