If one would be made for you how would it be?

Kiai Carita · 14th December 2008, 02:25 AM

I would want a Carita with 11 luks.

It would be kelengan without pamor made in the Majapahit style. I would want it to be slender and gracefull and light but very sharp and very strong. The sharpness and the strength of the blade would be very important to me, and I would want to test it.

I would want a sturdy pesi and defined ricikan, and it woud be dressed in a bold timoho pattern or aromatic sandalwood with the whole scabbard one peice of wood, in a Yogya gayaman style.

The pendok would be suasa with a discreet Suryoningalogo coat of arms on the back.

After that, I would want two more kerises. One would be made by Pak Alan and the other would be made by Lemmy the UK Mpu who also posts here. I would treasure the work of these two current Mpus.

If Pak Alan could obtain it, I would want him to make the keris from scratch using iron and steel from the First Fleet that landed in Botany Bay and make it a tangguh Ngostrali. Any dhapur or pamor would do but I prefer simple rather than fancy.

For the keris made by Lemmythesmith, I would be very happy to keep the patrem he showed us a while back. If not then any other keris he feels happy to make using meteorite would be splendid.

A. G. Maisey · 14th December 2008, 02:59 AM

Probably couldn't get any first fleet ferric material. If I did, and if I used it, they would probably put me jail for 25 to life.

Could do meteoritic material. I welded meteorite into a bakalan a number of times back in the early 1990's---this was pure meteorite, Canyon Diablo. It was not meteorite held together with iron to enable welding.Some of these meteorite bakalan were handed to a Solo maker and used as pamor in keris. The result is shown.

The whole problem with me making a keris for anybody is that I work with traditional tools and not electric tools. Shortest time it has ever taken me to make a keris was 16 days. Longest time was 49 days. These are 8 and 10 hour days. On Australian wage rates that makes my work completely out of the market.

Maybe we could make it a tangguh Khangghuru ?

tunggulametung · 14th December 2008, 05:07 PM

A broad Cirebon keris, 40 cm long, 13 flowing luks, featured with all well defined kembang kacang, jenggot, jalen, two lambe gajah, jalu memet, bungkul, pejetan, pair of sogokan, tikel alis, sraweyan, ada-ada, tungkakan, greneng robyong, "God-given" wos wutah pamor, solid blade, ivory raksasa hilt with swasa selut and mendak, dressed in swasa long gone Cirebon sendang walikat sheath.

P.S. swasa is upgradable to gold or downgradable to silver dipending on the world economic conditions

lemmythesmith · 15th December 2008, 09:44 PM

Hi all, I'm currently making my dream keris

Balinese 19.75" long, dapur Pasopati, wos wutah/ngulit semangka pamor, 12 meteorites, 30 irons (Roman to 1900) 4" wide at the gongo (third attempt gongo!

) 5/8" thick.

Kiai-many thanks for the vote of confidence, but I wouldn't call myself an mpu (or a master), just a crazy Englishman who likes making keris.

Sneak preview below.... It no longer has this gongo, made a right mess of it!!

Jussi M. · 16th December 2008, 06:43 PM

Lemmy,

I think you need to start taking orders soon!

J

Michel · 16th December 2008, 09:49 PM

I am lucky ! my dream keris exist :
A kris Nagakresna,XIX century, Surakarta.
Page 161 of court art of Indonesia
A beauty !

Michel

Marcokeris · 18th December 2008, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

I am lucky ! my dream keris exist :
A kris Nagakresna,XIX century, Surakarta.
Page 161 of court art of Indonesia
A beauty !

Michel

I totally agree with you.

This is the best keris, sarong, hit i never seen

For my taste an absolute masterpiece .

Kiai Carita · 17th December 2008, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemmythesmith

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Kiai-many thanks for the vote of confidence, but I wouldn't call myself an mpu (or a master), just a crazy Englishman who likes making keris.

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Lemmy, no real Mpu would call himself or herself an Mpu. So by saying that you would not call yourself an Mpu, it shows that you might be one!

I really like what I have seen of your work, and as this a fantasy thread, I would like to offer you a fantasy dowry for your work as well.

Seeing that the pound is falling daily at the moment, would you prefer to be paid in dinars?

A. G. Maisey · 17th December 2008, 07:14 AM

Yeah---well---we can all dream, can't we?

Kiai, have ever noticed that khanghuru is exactly the right pawakan for a keris?

Assymetric it is, and more or less triangular into the bargain. You could make an entire blade that more or less resembled a khanghuru.

Michel that dream keris of yours might already exist, but Jussi's question was related to getting a new keris made, so if that Surakarta keris is your idea of something good, you would need to find somebody to copy. Sorry---you cannot have the one that already exists.

Jussi M. · 17th December 2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Jussi's question was related to getting a new keris made

That it precisely what I meant. - No existing kerises are allowed. On a perfect world I´d like to acquire something like a fusion of sorts between these pictured on Mr. Maiseys website.

I have no idea what such beast would be like but these kerises, especially the two on the middle, rock my boat hard so to speak

Thanks,

J

Kiai Carita · 17th December 2008, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

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The whole problem with me making a keris for anybody is that I work with traditional tools and not electric tools. Shortest time it has ever taken me to make a keris was 16 days. Longest time was 49 days. These are 8 and 10 hour days. On Australian wage rates that makes my work completely out of the market.

Maybe we could make it a tangguh Khangghuru ?

Tangguh Khangguru dhapur mlumpat might be appropriate Pak Alan. Maybe it would have a winking kangaroo head instead of a tlale gajah.

As this is only fantasy, I would have no problem in paying you in Australian dollars. I would count 60 working days and pay you $500 - $1000 a day, so the blade would cost between $30.000 to $60.000 - not much at all for a fantasy keris, don't you think? You get contemporary paintings that fetch more than that at Christy's - so why not a keris?

Thanks for uploading the photos of the meteorite keris, very nice!

14th December 2008, 02:25 AM	#1
Kiai Carita Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 91	My dream keris I would want a Carita with 11 luks. It would be kelengan without pamor made in the Majapahit style. I would want it to be slender and gracefull and light but very sharp and very strong. The sharpness and the strength of the blade would be very important to me, and I would want to test it. I would want a sturdy pesi and defined ricikan, and it woud be dressed in a bold timoho pattern or aromatic sandalwood with the whole scabbard one peice of wood, in a Yogya gayaman style. The pendok would be suasa with a discreet Suryoningalogo coat of arms on the back. After that, I would want two more kerises. One would be made by Pak Alan and the other would be made by Lemmy the UK Mpu who also posts here. I would treasure the work of these two current Mpus. If Pak Alan could obtain it, I would want him to make the keris from scratch using iron and steel from the First Fleet that landed in Botany Bay and make it a tangguh Ngostrali. Any dhapur or pamor would do but I prefer simple rather than fancy. For the keris made by Lemmythesmith, I would be very happy to keep the patrem he showed us a while back. If not then any other keris he feels happy to make using meteorite would be splendid.

14th December 2008, 02:59 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Probably couldn't get any first fleet ferric material. If I did, and if I used it, they would probably put me jail for 25 to life. Could do meteoritic material. I welded meteorite into a bakalan a number of times back in the early 1990's---this was pure meteorite, Canyon Diablo. It was not meteorite held together with iron to enable welding.Some of these meteorite bakalan were handed to a Solo maker and used as pamor in keris. The result is shown. The whole problem with me making a keris for anybody is that I work with traditional tools and not electric tools. Shortest time it has ever taken me to make a keris was 16 days. Longest time was 49 days. These are 8 and 10 hour days. On Australian wage rates that makes my work completely out of the market. Maybe we could make it a tangguh Khangghuru ? Attached Images

15th December 2008, 09:44 PM	#4
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi all, I'm currently making my dream keris Balinese 19.75" long, dapur Pasopati, wos wutah/ngulit semangka pamor, 12 meteorites, 30 irons (Roman to 1900) 4" wide at the gongo (third attempt gongo! ) 5/8" thick. Kiai-many thanks for the vote of confidence, but I wouldn't call myself an mpu (or a master), just a crazy Englishman who likes making keris. Sneak preview below.... It no longer has this gongo, made a right mess of it!! Attached Images

16th December 2008, 09:49 PM	#6
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Dream Kris I am lucky ! my dream keris exist : A kris Nagakresna,XIX century, Surakarta. Page 161 of court art of Indonesia A beauty ! Michel Attached Images

14th December 2008, 05:07 PM	#3
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	A broad Cirebon keris, 40 cm long, 13 flowing luks, featured with all well defined kembang kacang, jenggot, jalen, two lambe gajah, jalu memet, bungkul, pejetan, pair of sogokan, tikel alis, sraweyan, ada-ada, tungkakan, greneng robyong, "God-given" wos wutah pamor, solid blade, ivory raksasa hilt with swasa selut and mendak, dressed in swasa long gone Cirebon sendang walikat sheath. P.S. swasa is upgradable to gold or downgradable to silver dipending on the world economic conditions

16th December 2008, 06:43 PM	#5
Jussi M. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 235	Lemmy, I think you need to start taking orders soon! J

17th December 2008, 07:14 AM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yeah---well---we can all dream, can't we? Kiai, have ever noticed that khanghuru is exactly the right pawakan for a keris? Assymetric it is, and more or less triangular into the bargain. You could make an entire blade that more or less resembled a khanghuru. Michel that dream keris of yours might already exist, but Jussi's question was related to getting a new keris made, so if that Surakarta keris is your idea of something good, you would need to find somebody to copy. Sorry---you cannot have the one that already exists.