Kachin / Shan Dha

Mark · 11th December 2008, 08:29 PM

I agree with fearn & JT that this is a Shan/Tai Yuan daab. A Kachin nhtu would have a nearly straight blade, and a shorter handle. The scabbard is Shan in style, but as others have pointed out, is very likely not original to the blade.

aiontay · 12th December 2008, 04:18 AM

I just went and got my nhtu, a personal gift from a Kachi friend from Myitkyina, and the blade configuration looks pretty similar to the one pictured. Sorry I don't have a digital camera, or I'd post a picture of it. I'm not saying it is definitely Kachin, but I sure wouldn't rule it out. Unless you know exactly where it came from I suspect it would be hard to pin down exactly where it came from beyond mainland SE Asia.

Mark · 12th December 2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aiontay

I just went and got my nhtu, a personal gift from a Kachi friend from Myitkyina, and the blade configuration looks pretty similar to the one pictured. Sorry I don't have a digital camera, or I'd post a picture of it. I'm not saying it is definitely Kachin, but I sure wouldn't rule it out. Unless you know exactly where it came from I suspect it would be hard to pin down exactly where it came from beyond mainland SE Asia.

It is very hard to define an 'ethnic' origin for swords in continental SEA, as people use whatever is available, or whatever suits their personal fancy. Thus, you see Shan bearing Bama-style dha, Bama with Kachin, Kachin with Shan, etc., etc. The lines are especially blurred between the Kachin and the Shan. So, it is indeed impossible to say whether this dha was owned or made for a Kachin versus a Shan. I am only saying that it follows the Shan style in having a more curved blade and a longer handle. At the least, the concave tip shows Kachin influence and the blade may well be Duleng, who are well-known for their sword-smithing expertise and whose blades were traded all over the northern areas of continental SEA. C.f., Leach, Political Systems of Highland Burma, pp. 233 & 251 (1954).

Egerton describes the "sword dao" as a very heavy weapon, which this does not seem to be, another reason why I put it in the "Shan" column stylistically: "This is a long pointless sword, set in a wooden or ebony handle; it is very heavy, and a blow of almost incredible power can be given by one of these weapons." Egerton, An Illustrated Handbook of Indian Arms, p. 88 (1880) [note: Edgerton later defines a different type of sword as a "cutlass" with a curved blade, by which I interpret his use of the word "sword" to mean a more-or-less straight blade]. I have linked in below photos of a few swords that fit Egerton's description nicely.

Emanuel · 12th December 2008, 04:31 AM

Thanks for the confirmation Mark. I've seen two more of these on ebay recently and Michel has posted a similar one. Can you think of any reason why these are popping up? Are they just common?

Mark · 12th December 2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Manolo

Thanks for the confirmation Mark. I've seen two more of these on ebay recently and Michel has posted a similar one. Can you think of any reason why these are popping up? Are they just common?

No, I can't think of a reason. Things go in cycles, and perhaps someone is selling their collection or just came back from a collecting trip.

aiontay · 13th December 2008, 01:23 AM

Mark,
I would agree the handle doesn't look like a Kachin style handle and would be more in line with a Shan or Northern Thai style. If I was a betting man I'd say it isn't a Kachin sword. I'm just saying I don't think the blade style differences, ie straight vs curved for example, really provides much definitive information based on my admittedly limited observations of Kachin swords owned by Kachins. Well, maybe they're not that limited since my thesis is about the Kachins (based on field research in Thailand and Burma). I should also note that while Leach wrote a great book, I know the Kachins who have read it take issue with a few things, and I'd say his interpretation of Kachin/Shan interactions needs to be treated with some caution.

11th December 2008, 08:29 PM	#1
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I agree with fearn & JT that this is a Shan/Tai Yuan daab. A Kachin nhtu would have a nearly straight blade, and a shorter handle. The scabbard is Shan in style, but as others have pointed out, is very likely not original to the blade.

12th December 2008, 04:18 AM	#2
aiontay Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 88	I just went and got my nhtu, a personal gift from a Kachi friend from Myitkyina, and the blade configuration looks pretty similar to the one pictured. Sorry I don't have a digital camera, or I'd post a picture of it. I'm not saying it is definitely Kachin, but I sure wouldn't rule it out. Unless you know exactly where it came from I suspect it would be hard to pin down exactly where it came from beyond mainland SE Asia.

12th December 2008, 04:31 AM	#4
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Thanks for the confirmation Mark. I've seen two more of these on ebay recently and Michel has posted a similar one. Can you think of any reason why these are popping up? Are they just common?

13th December 2008, 01:23 AM	#6
aiontay Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 88	Mark, I would agree the handle doesn't look like a Kachin style handle and would be more in line with a Shan or Northern Thai style. If I was a betting man I'd say it isn't a Kachin sword. I'm just saying I don't think the blade style differences, ie straight vs curved for example, really provides much definitive information based on my admittedly limited observations of Kachin swords owned by Kachins. Well, maybe they're not that limited since my thesis is about the Kachins (based on field research in Thailand and Burma). I should also note that while Leach wrote a great book, I know the Kachins who have read it take issue with a few things, and I'd say his interpretation of Kachin/Shan interactions needs to be treated with some caution.