Cut down shamshir?

spiral · 4th December 2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Not sure if presence of rivets would indicate anything other than the method of hilt mounting, as some original hilts come mounted without rivets (ref: Manouchehr Korassani "Arms and Armor from Iran", pages 615-613, 622).

Thank you Alex, I wasnt aware of that, fascinating!

Spiral

ariel · 4th December 2008, 03:57 PM

I do not think it was born as shamshir.
Look at the border between the blade and the bolster: the edge goes a little bit up, somewhat similar to pesh kabzes etc.
No need to create such a configuration from a shamshir blade; it was made exactly that way.

ALEX · 4th December 2008, 04:38 PM

Ariel, Thank you for the comment and it is neat as always. I noticed a nice, pesh-like curvature to the blade as well, and initially thought it was an original design. Do you think the center-positioned cartouche and fairly wide placed kirk rants (there are only 5 rants at each side) indicate othervise? Thanks again.

ward · 4th December 2008, 10:29 PM

Alex mine had the cartouches closer to the ferrule than yours and the lower one was a lion. Also the blade had a pretty strong fuller along the spine.
I think you have to take these on a case by case basis no hard and fast rule. Some were probaly made as daggers others from sword blades.
Nice piece

4th December 2008, 03:57 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I do not think it was born as shamshir. Look at the border between the blade and the bolster: the edge goes a little bit up, somewhat similar to pesh kabzes etc. No need to create such a configuration from a shamshir blade; it was made exactly that way.

4th December 2008, 04:38 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Ariel, Thank you for the comment and it is neat as always. I noticed a nice, pesh-like curvature to the blade as well, and initially thought it was an original design. Do you think the center-positioned cartouche and fairly wide placed kirk rants (there are only 5 rants at each side) indicate othervise? Thanks again.

4th December 2008, 10:29 PM	#4
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Alex mine had the cartouches closer to the ferrule than yours and the lower one was a lion. Also the blade had a pretty strong fuller along the spine. I think you have to take these on a case by case basis no hard and fast rule. Some were probaly made as daggers others from sword blades. Nice piece