New Addition #1 Bugis?

Alam Shah · 25th November 2008, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Can you guys explain the difference?

Unfortunately, I lack the knowledge. Perhaps other more knowledgeable person, may do so..

. But how the blade looks like, the available features, typical of a 'Tok Chu' piece.

PenangsangII · 25th November 2008, 06:48 AM

in short, the characteristics of this dhapur is called "Tok Chu" by keris lovers from Malaysia, Singapore and Southern Thai.

BluErf · 25th November 2008, 01:24 PM

From what I know, "Tok Chu" was a pandai keris in N Malaya (he could have been staying in the present day Thailand side, or the Malaysian side), who worked possibly circa late 19th century, early 20th century.

The kerises he made were very broad, and had very fine features. People called his kerises "Tok Chu", after him, just like the keris Pandai Saras. As to whether this example here is a Tok Chu is hard to say. The examples I've seen attributed to him are really really broad, and fine!

Don't get me wrong, Kino's blade here is mighty fine, just that it is a wee bit too narrow compared to the ones I've seen. But still, a very fine blade - no questions!

BluErf · 25th November 2008, 01:29 PM

Ah ha, found a pic of a suspected Tok Chu. Note the "fatness"!

David · 25th November 2008, 01:35 PM

I do see the difference Kai Wee, thanks.

So would you then classify Kino's as keris carita then?

BluErf · 25th November 2008, 01:50 PM

Yep, carita it is!

Alam Shah · 25th November 2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Yep, carita it is!

Hi Kai Wee,
Thank you for the example..

Just a thought..
Does Tok Chu, only focus on one design, or does he have a few, perhaps made for different person with different size, height, etc.. throughout his lifetime or otherwise?

In the Javanese concept, the original blade is added with the prefix 'kyai' (eg. kyai megantara), blades that are made afterwards are added the prefix 'dapur' (eg. dapur megantara).. so likewise, when one says keris 'tok chu', what does it really mean? a blade forged by the known empu, or a design known to be made by him, hence attributed to him? or something else?.. I'm just pondering.. open to opinion, ideas.. etc.

25th November 2008, 01:29 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Ah ha, found a pic of a suspected Tok Chu. Note the "fatness"! Attached Images

25th November 2008, 06:48 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	in short, the characteristics of this dhapur is called "Tok Chu" by keris lovers from Malaysia, Singapore and Southern Thai.

25th November 2008, 01:24 PM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	From what I know, "Tok Chu" was a pandai keris in N Malaya (he could have been staying in the present day Thailand side, or the Malaysian side), who worked possibly circa late 19th century, early 20th century. The kerises he made were very broad, and had very fine features. People called his kerises "Tok Chu", after him, just like the keris Pandai Saras. As to whether this example here is a Tok Chu is hard to say. The examples I've seen attributed to him are really really broad, and fine! Don't get me wrong, Kino's blade here is mighty fine, just that it is a wee bit too narrow compared to the ones I've seen. But still, a very fine blade - no questions!

25th November 2008, 01:35 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	I do see the difference Kai Wee, thanks. So would you then classify Kino's as keris carita then?

25th November 2008, 01:50 PM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Yep, carita it is!