Swedish-Norwegian Naval Cutlass M1800

Ed · 11th October 2008, 08:54 PM

I was at the Hartford Antique Arms Show today and I saw a dagger with the same pommel. They called it a "Rifleman's Dagger". The idea was that you jabbed it in the ground and the pommel served as a rifle rest.

kronckew · 25th April 2019, 08:57 PM

Well, I finally found one, apparently a Danish variant, looks like the tip has a false edge unlike the swedish versions, and a sligtly different grip, more curved at the pommel... Brass guard is not S shaped, Vendor had a Swedish one too, but this one grew on me. Wending it's way from the EU, hopefully as I type. More detail on arrival.

OsobistGB · 25th April 2019, 10:09 PM

Unfortunately I will disappoint you

The item you show has nothing to do with Denmark/Sweden also.It definitely looks like a copy.

kronckew · 26th April 2019, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OsobistGB

Unfortunately I will disappoint you

The item you show has nothing to do with Denmark/Sweden also.It definitely looks like a copy.

Ah, well. Contacted my vendor, he has another, Swedish M1848, with struck off out of service serial number and vendor mark A&E.H (A & E Holler, Solingen) he will send in it's place. He still thinks the first is a proper Danish variant. (He's from the Baltic region and had a few)

If at first you don't succeed, try again. I'll keep this one in any case.

OsobistGB · 26th April 2019, 08:44 PM

The second one is original!If your trader is from Lithuania or Latvia (I constantly confuse them) he may not know.I guarantee 100% that such a model does not exist in either Denmark or Sweden.

MacCathain · 26th April 2019, 11:35 PM

Kronckew, your faskinkniv is troop marked for T3, the Norrlands trangregemente 1893-2000 (Norrlands Trainkår). This is a train regiment, a unique force whose purpose was to handle the logistical requirements of troop equipment and supply.

T3 originated as the Royal Norrland Train Battalion, raised in 1893. Headquarters were moved from Stockholm to Sollefteå in May, 1898. In 1902, T3 became the Royal Norrland Train Corps, which was raised to a Regiment status on July 1, 1949. In 1994, the Regiment was reduced to a Corps, which in 2000 was merged into the I5 as the Norrland Train Battalion, which was disbanded in 2005.

That maker’s stamp on this weapon is, as you indicate, A. & E. Holler, which operated between the years 1839 and 1869. This is unusual, as most of the contracts for the manufacture of the m1848 faskinkniv were let to Swedish makers. I have an identical A. & E. Holler faskinkniv marked to the 14th infantry regiment (Hälsinge regiment).

There is no mention of a Danish version of this weapon in Møller's Gamle Danske Militær Våben, so I suspect it is either unrecognized or someone's fantasy.

Here is a photo of a trooper of the Norrlands trangregemente from my collection of CdVs. He wears the faskinkniv.

kronckew · 27th April 2019, 12:33 AM

Thanks, all. cool pic.Love seeing how they were actually worn. Sword knot looks very unusual, wonder what colour it was...

I gather that many were also in naval service and had a small anchor mark. Train Reg. info is very interesting and unusual.

25th April 2019, 08:57 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	Well, I finally found one, apparently a Danish variant, looks like the tip has a false edge unlike the swedish versions, and a sligtly different grip, more curved at the pommel... Brass guard is not S shaped, Vendor had a Swedish one too, but this one grew on me. Wending it's way from the EU, hopefully as I type. More detail on arrival. Attached Images

26th April 2019, 11:35 PM	#6
MacCathain Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 68	Kronckew, your faskinkniv is troop marked for T3, the Norrlands trangregemente 1893-2000 (Norrlands Trainkår). This is a train regiment, a unique force whose purpose was to handle the logistical requirements of troop equipment and supply. T3 originated as the Royal Norrland Train Battalion, raised in 1893. Headquarters were moved from Stockholm to Sollefteå in May, 1898. In 1902, T3 became the Royal Norrland Train Corps, which was raised to a Regiment status on July 1, 1949. In 1994, the Regiment was reduced to a Corps, which in 2000 was merged into the I5 as the Norrland Train Battalion, which was disbanded in 2005. That maker’s stamp on this weapon is, as you indicate, A. & E. Holler, which operated between the years 1839 and 1869. This is unusual, as most of the contracts for the manufacture of the m1848 faskinkniv were let to Swedish makers. I have an identical A. & E. Holler faskinkniv marked to the 14th infantry regiment (Hälsinge regiment). There is no mention of a Danish version of this weapon in Møller's Gamle Danske Militær Våben, so I suspect it is either unrecognized or someone's fantasy. Here is a photo of a trooper of the Norrlands trangregemente from my collection of CdVs. He wears the faskinkniv. Attached Images

11th October 2008, 08:54 PM	#1
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 260	I was at the Hartford Antique Arms Show today and I saw a dagger with the same pommel. They called it a "Rifleman's Dagger". The idea was that you jabbed it in the ground and the pommel served as a rifle rest.

25th April 2019, 10:09 PM	#3
OsobistGB Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 95	Unfortunately I will disappoint you The item you show has nothing to do with Denmark/Sweden also.It definitely looks like a copy.

26th April 2019, 08:44 PM	#5
OsobistGB Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 95	The second one is original!If your trader is from Lithuania or Latvia (I constantly confuse them) he may not know.I guarantee 100% that such a model does not exist in either Denmark or Sweden.

27th April 2019, 12:33 AM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	Thanks, all. cool pic.Love seeing how they were actually worn. Sword knot looks very unusual, wonder what colour it was... I gather that many were also in naval service and had a small anchor mark. Train Reg. info is very interesting and unusual.