Sundang, moro kris or whatelse?

David · 1st October 2008, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Flavio

You say you can't see anything that indicate a peninsula origin, but how do you explain the strangeness of this kris? like the non-moro etching and the horn handle?

As for the blade Flavio it just looks like abuse and someone's perhaps misguided attempt to "restore" it. Can't speak for the hilt being horn. Could be a later addition, a marriage that is not quite traditional. A replacement. Who knows. The ivory pommel looks Moro to me though and as Spiral has pointed out, the reason there have not been more opinions on it is that it is pretty obvious even to me that it is 100% elephant ivory. A few have mentioned that they think the sheath is peninsula or Bugis in origin, but i am pretty sure i have seen this type of sheath used by the Moro and i also think that the toe of the sheath stem has a distinct Moro termination.
How is the fit of the blade in the sheath anyway? Was this sheath made for this blade?

Flavio · 4th October 2008, 07:16 PM

Here are some pics of both sides of the blade, the putty on the pommel and the fit with the scabbard

Battara · 5th October 2008, 01:40 AM

Flavio,

These pictures now give me the impression that this is not horn but something over the wood. IT can fool and look like horn. Again, I would say that twisted silver or jute was there originally.....

Flavio · 5th October 2008, 08:58 AM

Jose,

maybe the "horn" is somethng different, but for sure is not the putty that you can see where the pommel meets the handle. I can't be able to find the mineral spirit you told me. Can I use something else to see if the handle and the pommel were stained? Maybe another kind of diluent?

Thanks
FLavio

Flavio · 5th October 2008, 11:56 AM

Well, I have used a strong diluent (nitro) both on the pommel and the handle. Nothing is changed, so both were not stained and the color is due to the patination.

Flavio · 12th October 2008, 10:02 AM

No more comments?

I have noted that many moro collectors members often doesn't comment on others moro pieces... I can't understand why

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VVV · 12th October 2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Flavio

No more comments?

I have noted that many moro collectors members often doesn't comment on others moro pieces... I can't understand why

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Maybe because, based on the comments above, everybody seems to agree that it isn't Moro but Malay Peninsular (not Borneo!)?
As you know I had the same impression(quite resembling Bill's) when you mailed me before you posted it here.
Both the way the blade is etched as well as the fittings looks very much Malay Peninsular to me.
So I assume that most (pure) Moro collectors don't want to comment if they don't think it's Moro in the first place?

Michael

4th October 2008, 07:16 PM	#2
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Here are some pics of both sides of the blade, the putty on the pommel and the fit with the scabbard Attached Images

5th October 2008, 01:40 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Flavio, These pictures now give me the impression that this is not horn but something over the wood. IT can fool and look like horn. Again, I would say that twisted silver or jute was there originally.....

5th October 2008, 08:58 AM	#4
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Jose, maybe the "horn" is somethng different, but for sure is not the putty that you can see where the pommel meets the handle. I can't be able to find the mineral spirit you told me. Can I use something else to see if the handle and the pommel were stained? Maybe another kind of diluent? Thanks FLavio

5th October 2008, 11:56 AM	#5
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Well, I have used a strong diluent (nitro) both on the pommel and the handle. Nothing is changed, so both were not stained and the color is due to the patination.

12th October 2008, 10:02 AM	#6
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	No more comments? I have noted that many moro collectors members often doesn't comment on others moro pieces... I can't understand why ....