Luk 1 or 3

A. G. Maisey · 14th September 2008, 09:36 PM

G'day David. This brings us back to a previous discussion. If a keris does not comply with pakem it is not a keris:- it is a keris-like object--- or to be polite:- diluar pakem---outside the guidelines.

Semar's keris is outside the guidelines, thus in the strictest sense, and most certainly for application of any of the protocol that is used in keris appraisal, this cannot be appraised as one would appraise a keris.

The reason for any number of luk is locked into the symbolic and talismanic requirements that were called upon when the keris was made.

If it were necessary to produce a keris with an even factor, this even factor was produced in a way other than by producing something that fell outside the guidelines that govern the composition of a keris. To me it would seem to indicate that the maker was probably only a smith , or perhaps a beginner, who was not yet sufficiently knowledgeable.

14th September 2008, 09:36 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	G'day David. This brings us back to a previous discussion. If a keris does not comply with pakem it is not a keris:- it is a keris-like object--- or to be polite:- diluar pakem---outside the guidelines. Semar's keris is outside the guidelines, thus in the strictest sense, and most certainly for application of any of the protocol that is used in keris appraisal, this cannot be appraised as one would appraise a keris. The reason for any number of luk is locked into the symbolic and talismanic requirements that were called upon when the keris was made. If it were necessary to produce a keris with an even factor, this even factor was produced in a way other than by producing something that fell outside the guidelines that govern the composition of a keris. To me it would seem to indicate that the maker was probably only a smith , or perhaps a beginner, who was not yet sufficiently knowledgeable.