ketland sabers

chevalier · 11th September 2008, 12:20 AM

i wondered about the relationship (if there was one) between ketland and american eagle (pommel) sabers.....

they both look almost identical, but ive never seen a weapon that was marked as both "ketland" and "american eagle".

chevalier · 11th September 2008, 12:32 AM

ketland saber

A.W. Spies saber

american eagle saber

Jim McDougall · 11th September 2008, 12:49 AM

My apologies Manuel Luis!! Reading too many posts at once and lost track as I was posting, thank you for your courtesy in noting my 'fox paws'

Chevalier, really interesting examples, but are these marked in the blade decoration with the names you note, American Eagle, Spies, Ketland?
As mentioned, Ketland was a commercial supplier so it is anyones guess how the terms might be interpolated. Mowbray wrote the book on American Eagle Head Swords so perhaps if anyone has a copy of that.

chevalier · 11th September 2008, 01:42 AM

yes,

for the spies saber.

the other two where sold (advertised) as "ketland saber" and "american eagle saber"

celtan · 11th September 2008, 02:20 AM

Once again, no need to apologize for anything at all, now or ever.

I'm currently auctioning at EBay a A.W.Spies saber, very much like the one you show. Auction ends tomorrow, if you wants to see more pics. check it our before it closes. Do a search for US Mounted Artillery saber.

BTW, sometimes I intend to ask other collectors about my items, before putting them in the block.

Is there any local regulations against this, similar to those as SFI? I think that's terrible politics for the former, and would be a significant difference between the two...

Best

M

celtan · 11th September 2008, 02:24 AM

I hadn't even heard about Ketlands!

Regards

M

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevalier

i wondered about the relationship (if there was one) between ketland and american eagle (pommel) sabers.....

they both look almost identical, but ive never seen a weapon that was marked as both "ketland" and "american eagle".

chevalier · 11th September 2008, 02:40 AM

i see your saber, unfortunatly its a bit out of my "target price range" right now

celtan · 11th September 2008, 03:06 AM

Oh, don't worry! They come in all sorts of shapes and prices. Yet the question remains, is that the Ketland you mention?

It looks just like one of the pics you posted, that's the reason I brought same to the forum's attention. From what I remember of its origins, its 1820s vintage.

Regards

M

chevalier · 11th September 2008, 03:19 AM

they could be, im trying to find more info on A.W. Spies, apprently he was also a firearms manufacturer/dealer....

11th September 2008, 12:20 AM	#1
chevalier Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 119	i wondered about the relationship (if there was one) between ketland and american eagle (pommel) sabers..... they both look almost identical, but ive never seen a weapon that was marked as both "ketland" and "american eagle".

11th September 2008, 12:32 AM	#2
chevalier Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 119	ketland saber A.W. Spies saber american eagle saber

11th September 2008, 12:49 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	My apologies Manuel Luis!! Reading too many posts at once and lost track as I was posting, thank you for your courtesy in noting my 'fox paws' Chevalier, really interesting examples, but are these marked in the blade decoration with the names you note, American Eagle, Spies, Ketland? As mentioned, Ketland was a commercial supplier so it is anyones guess how the terms might be interpolated. Mowbray wrote the book on American Eagle Head Swords so perhaps if anyone has a copy of that.

11th September 2008, 01:42 AM	#4
chevalier Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 119	yes, for the spies saber. the other two where sold (advertised) as "ketland saber" and "american eagle saber"

11th September 2008, 02:20 AM	#5
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Once again, no need to apologize for anything at all, now or ever. I'm currently auctioning at EBay a A.W.Spies saber, very much like the one you show. Auction ends tomorrow, if you wants to see more pics. check it our before it closes. Do a search for US Mounted Artillery saber. BTW, sometimes I intend to ask other collectors about my items, before putting them in the block. Is there any local regulations against this, similar to those as SFI? I think that's terrible politics for the former, and would be a significant difference between the two... Best M

11th September 2008, 02:40 AM	#7
chevalier Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 119	i see your saber, unfortunatly its a bit out of my "target price range" right now

11th September 2008, 03:06 AM	#8
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Oh, don't worry! They come in all sorts of shapes and prices. Yet the question remains, is that the Ketland you mention? It looks just like one of the pics you posted, that's the reason I brought same to the forum's attention. From what I remember of its origins, its 1820s vintage. Regards M

11th September 2008, 03:19 AM	#9
chevalier Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 119	they could be, im trying to find more info on A.W. Spies, apprently he was also a firearms manufacturer/dealer....