Kukri

stekemest · 31st August 2008, 03:22 PM

Don't worry, I feel very comfortable and really appreciate your help.

Sorry for not reading the rules first.

Battara · 31st August 2008, 07:18 PM

Guess I'm wrong about the kuk.............

Yes there have been problems in the past. We could get sued or at least legally liable if giving pricing - at least that is what I remember.

Gonzalo G · 1st September 2008, 03:40 AM

I agree with you, Rod. I don´t think it is really a gar khukri (trousse)...only three pockets, apart from the main one. Maybe Spiral can tell us more.
My best regards

Gonzalo

Bill M · 1st September 2008, 04:18 AM

Gonzalo, you may have a point about the number of pockets. To clarify, I enclose pictures of two of mine. The first is a recent one from Himalayan Imports. Sorry I didn't take a picture better showing the pockets.

The second is an older native khuk. That the tools are not ensuite is not unusual, according to John Powell. The natives did not really care about matching tools.

inveterate · 1st September 2008, 06:47 AM

No this is not a Kukri that has been referered to as "Trousse" by western collectors, such as the two examples you show Bill. Rod

Bill M · 1st September 2008, 01:08 PM

I wonder if it has some name-type? It is different from the regular type. Mine have six to eight small pockets, his has three, the usual has two, I have some with no pockets.

I would guess, since these are individually made, the customer of the kami/smith would input what he wanted specifically for his needs. Perhaps we get over-specific in our desire to catalog?

It seems to me that it would be easier to carry if it was two separate items. The big blade khuk and the small kit?

Berkley · 1st September 2008, 04:16 PM

Bill, I would say that three pockets was the "usual" configuration when the karda and chakmak were really used by people in isolated rural settings, rather than the vestigial items they have become in the age of universally available disposable lighters. The central hole commonly carried a length of bamboo to be used as a blowpipe for firestarting with the flint and tinder carried in the outer pouch and the chakmak as a striker. The late Bill Martino observed that in modern times the central hole was as likely to carry a Chinese-made lead pencil. The 4-hole scabbard shown in this group has a piece of copper tubing to be used as a blowpipe, and a hand-carved bamboo dip pen. The multiple tool versions that John Powell dubbed "trousse" have a wide variety of implements, many as you note often cobbled together from various sources to suit the needs of the user: tweezers, small saws, hooks, awls, chisels, screwdrivers, etc.
I think Peter's kukri is certainly post-WWi based on the length of the bolster, blade shape, wide edge bevel and shallow scribed grooves along the spine. The blade shapes on the bi-knives are older designs, and the lack of a buttplate is characteristic of 19th century designs. The problem with dating kukris is that, in a traditional society, traditional designs persist right up to the present day.
Berk

1st September 2008, 04:18 AM	#4
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Gonzalo, you may have a point about the number of pockets. To clarify, I enclose pictures of two of mine. The first is a recent one from Himalayan Imports. Sorry I didn't take a picture better showing the pockets. The second is an older native khuk. That the tools are not ensuite is not unusual, according to John Powell. The natives did not really care about matching tools. Attached Images

1st September 2008, 04:16 PM	#7
Berkley Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas USA Posts: 257	Bill, I would say that three pockets was the "usual" configuration when the karda and chakmak were really used by people in isolated rural settings, rather than the vestigial items they have become in the age of universally available disposable lighters. The central hole commonly carried a length of bamboo to be used as a blowpipe for firestarting with the flint and tinder carried in the outer pouch and the chakmak as a striker. The late Bill Martino observed that in modern times the central hole was as likely to carry a Chinese-made lead pencil. The 4-hole scabbard shown in this group has a piece of copper tubing to be used as a blowpipe, and a hand-carved bamboo dip pen. The multiple tool versions that John Powell dubbed "trousse" have a wide variety of implements, many as you note often cobbled together from various sources to suit the needs of the user: tweezers, small saws, hooks, awls, chisels, screwdrivers, etc. I think Peter's kukri is certainly post-WWi based on the length of the bolster, blade shape, wide edge bevel and shallow scribed grooves along the spine. The blade shapes on the bi-knives are older designs, and the lack of a buttplate is characteristic of 19th century designs. The problem with dating kukris is that, in a traditional society, traditional designs persist right up to the present day. Berk Attached Images

31st August 2008, 03:22 PM	#1
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	Don't worry, I feel very comfortable and really appreciate your help. Sorry for not reading the rules first.

31st August 2008, 07:18 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Guess I'm wrong about the kuk............. Yes there have been problems in the past. We could get sued or at least legally liable if giving pricing - at least that is what I remember.

1st September 2008, 03:40 AM	#3
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	I agree with you, Rod. I don´t think it is really a gar khukri (trousse)...only three pockets, apart from the main one. Maybe Spiral can tell us more. My best regards Gonzalo

1st September 2008, 06:47 AM	#5
inveterate Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 58	No this is not a Kukri that has been referered to as "Trousse" by western collectors, such as the two examples you show Bill. Rod

1st September 2008, 01:08 PM	#6
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	I wonder if it has some name-type? It is different from the regular type. Mine have six to eight small pockets, his has three, the usual has two, I have some with no pockets. I would guess, since these are individually made, the customer of the kami/smith would input what he wanted specifically for his needs. Perhaps we get over-specific in our desire to catalog? It seems to me that it would be easier to carry if it was two separate items. The big blade khuk and the small kit?