Puzzling greneng works

RobT · 4th July 2008, 03:57 AM

Hi All,
It's a really nice looking keris but what strikes me as odd is that the tang appears to be off center to the axis of the thrust. Am I seeing something that isn't there?
Sincerely,
RobT

Alam Shah · 4th July 2008, 04:35 AM

Hi RobT, sharp observation.

See more pics here...
http://alamshah.fotopic.net/c1047834.html

David · 4th July 2008, 06:19 AM

Maybe there is a Turkish connection...

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PenangsangII · 4th July 2008, 06:37 AM

AlamShah, maybe you should change the hilt to Yatagan style...hahaha....

Alam Shah · 4th July 2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Maybe there is a Turkish connection...

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Hmmm... maybe, if I'll try to get the 'bearish' jawa demam hilt form, which is known to be Sumatran... a form found used in Minangkabau pieces. It have 'ears' like the yataghan hilt.

RobT · 4th July 2008, 06:40 PM

Hi All,
Hopefully my comment isn't so far off base as to have me compared to a recent "contributor" to the forum but after seeing the other photos on the AlamShah website, the tang still looks further toward the dagu side of the keris than is normal. If that is the case then, given the quality of the blade, I have to imagine the empu knew exactly what he was doing and the offset was deliberate. What then was the reason for that positioning?
Sincerely,
RobT

kai · 5th July 2008, 12:40 AM

Some keris have a pesi much more prominently based off-center than this example. I have no pics at hand but those I can remember from the top of my head were a few sepokal blades and a variant keris panjang.

I'd need to handle such a keris to assess the function. Maybe with the curved sepokal blades it doesn't make that much of a difference, anyway?

Regards,
Kai

4th July 2008, 03:57 AM	#1
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 550	Odd tang placement Hi All, It's a really nice looking keris but what strikes me as odd is that the tang appears to be off center to the axis of the thrust. Am I seeing something that isn't there? Sincerely, RobT

4th July 2008, 06:40 PM	#6
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 550	Why? Hi All, Hopefully my comment isn't so far off base as to have me compared to a recent "contributor" to the forum but after seeing the other photos on the AlamShah website, the tang still looks further toward the dagu side of the keris than is normal. If that is the case then, given the quality of the blade, I have to imagine the empu knew exactly what he was doing and the offset was deliberate. What then was the reason for that positioning? Sincerely, RobT

4th July 2008, 04:35 AM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi RobT, sharp observation. See more pics here... http://alamshah.fotopic.net/c1047834.html

4th July 2008, 06:19 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Maybe there is a Turkish connection... ...

4th July 2008, 06:37 AM	#4
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	AlamShah, maybe you should change the hilt to Yatagan style...hahaha....

5th July 2008, 12:40 AM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Some keris have a pesi much more prominently based off-center than this example. I have no pics at hand but those I can remember from the top of my head were a few sepokal blades and a variant keris panjang. I'd need to handle such a keris to assess the function. Maybe with the curved sepokal blades it doesn't make that much of a difference, anyway? Regards, Kai