history of the yoyo as a weapon

moose · 9th December 2004, 05:10 PM

Here's a reference. Nothing really new.
http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/u...ML/002180.html

The twisted cord was I believe so that it did not slow down but actually increased at the end. Kind of a crack the whip motion.
I've also heard of the large ones. I believe they even had spikes on them.

Here's a link to a book about the more obscure Philippine Martial weapons. It doesn't mention the yo-yo, but if anyone knew more about it, A. Pat Marinas would be a good candidate.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...034519-6521728

I could swear I read something about it that he had wrote but a 1/2 hour search of my favorites and the web came up empty. I'll try again later.

I would also like to hear from any fellow forumites if they have information on this topic.

moose

moose · 9th December 2004, 05:27 PM

did a little more searching.

If you punch Pedro Flores into google you'll bring up more stuff.
Here's one which references it as a weapon.

http://inventors.about.com/od/hispan...dro_Flores.htm

moose

fearn · 9th December 2004, 08:02 PM

mmm-hmmm.

Well, I've got 20' of rope somewhere. Anyone want to help me build a yoyo big enough to hold it? If that works, we can put some sharp edges and studs on it...

Come on! Please, think this through! Start by putting 10' of line on a butterfly yoyo (they're more forgiving) and see if you can make the bloody thing work. I'd recommend going to an upstairs window and seeing if you can make it yo out the window. If you can, work up to 20'.

Once you can get a yoyo to go 20' and come back (round the world? Walking the dog? On flat ground? In a combat setting???), then you can add studs and edges. Remember, if the yoyo gets knocked to one side or isn't perfectly balanced, the edges rub against the rope.

And you have to catch the thing on the rebound, when it comes back to your hand about as fast as it left it.

And the studs and sharp edges have to be perfectly balanced, so that it will spin evenly and rewind.

This isn't to say that they're weren't weighted rope weapons, but this "battle yo" simply doesn't make sense.

F

zamboanga · 9th December 2004, 11:52 PM

here is a replica of a philippine battle yoyo sold online at: http://www.primitiveweapons.com/products/misc.html

fearn · 10th December 2004, 01:08 AM

Well, apparently I stand corrected, although I'll note that it's a non returning weapon (see description below). Perhaps a couple of us should buy them and try them out in test drops?

" Another weapon of the Philippines the battle tree yo-yo has been in use for 500+ years. It is dropped from trees (lucky that it does not return). Comes with History & Cord. Comes Painted or Stained (your choice)"

I can see it now, the Ethnographic Edged Weapons and battle yoyo forum...

F

mmontoro · 10th December 2004, 06:06 PM

Here's a link to a Ti yo-yo made by Tom Anderson. Tom is a respected knifemaker who also makes more than a few unusual items from Ti.

http://www.knifeforums.com/ubbthread...?Number=422573

zamboanga · 11th December 2004, 10:19 AM

martialartsplanet.com has a thread on this topic. almost similar discussions on the pros and cons of the yoyo as a weapon. one quote caught my eye, though:

"If it works, it's Arnis. If it doesn't, it's Karate."

9th December 2004, 11:52 PM	#4
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	here is a replica of a philippine battle yoyo sold online at: http://www.primitiveweapons.com/products/misc.html Attached Images

10th December 2004, 06:06 PM	#6
mmontoro Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	Titanium Yo-Yo Here's a link to a Ti yo-yo made by Tom Anderson. Tom is a respected knifemaker who also makes more than a few unusual items from Ti. http://www.knifeforums.com/ubbthread...?Number=422573

9th December 2004, 05:10 PM	#1
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	Here's a reference. Nothing really new. http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/u...ML/002180.html The twisted cord was I believe so that it did not slow down but actually increased at the end. Kind of a crack the whip motion. I've also heard of the large ones. I believe they even had spikes on them. Here's a link to a book about the more obscure Philippine Martial weapons. It doesn't mention the yo-yo, but if anyone knew more about it, A. Pat Marinas would be a good candidate. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...034519-6521728 I could swear I read something about it that he had wrote but a 1/2 hour search of my favorites and the web came up empty. I'll try again later. I would also like to hear from any fellow forumites if they have information on this topic. moose

9th December 2004, 05:27 PM	#2
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	did a little more searching. If you punch Pedro Flores into google you'll bring up more stuff. Here's one which references it as a weapon. http://inventors.about.com/od/hispan...dro_Flores.htm moose

9th December 2004, 08:02 PM	#3
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	mmm-hmmm. Well, I've got 20' of rope somewhere. Anyone want to help me build a yoyo big enough to hold it? If that works, we can put some sharp edges and studs on it... Come on! Please, think this through! Start by putting 10' of line on a butterfly yoyo (they're more forgiving) and see if you can make the bloody thing work. I'd recommend going to an upstairs window and seeing if you can make it yo out the window. If you can, work up to 20'. Once you can get a yoyo to go 20' and come back (round the world? Walking the dog? On flat ground? In a combat setting???), then you can add studs and edges. Remember, if the yoyo gets knocked to one side or isn't perfectly balanced, the edges rub against the rope. And you have to catch the thing on the rebound, when it comes back to your hand about as fast as it left it. And the studs and sharp edges have to be perfectly balanced, so that it will spin evenly and rewind. This isn't to say that they're weren't weighted rope weapons, but this "battle yo" simply doesn't make sense. F

10th December 2004, 01:08 AM	#5
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Well, apparently I stand corrected, although I'll note that it's a non returning weapon (see description below). Perhaps a couple of us should buy them and try them out in test drops? " Another weapon of the Philippines the battle tree yo-yo has been in use for 500+ years. It is dropped from trees (lucky that it does not return). Comes with History & Cord. Comes Painted or Stained (your choice)" I can see it now, the Ethnographic Edged Weapons and battle yoyo forum... F

11th December 2004, 10:19 AM	#7
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	martialartsplanet.com has a thread on this topic. almost similar discussions on the pros and cons of the yoyo as a weapon. one quote caught my eye, though: "If it works, it's Arnis. If it doesn't, it's Karate."