Indian/Afghan/Islamic Flintlocks & Mathclocks. Any interest?

Atlantia · 22nd June 2008, 01:33 AM

Thats amazing! I can see on yours that the flash pan is the same as on mine, they look like a strange bird head when you look down on them. I wondered what you meant by 'match holder'!
You mean this thing do you?

That was rammed very firmly onto where the ramrod should be!
What is its purpose?

Atlantia · 22nd June 2008, 01:36 AM

You know I had no idea it was Omani!
And Early 18th century is a bonus for sure :-)
Thanks Ward

Gene

ward · 22nd June 2008, 02:04 AM

yes the end of yours should be hollow and when the match needs to be extinquished is put into the end of it. The omani is a lot more unusual and you should restore it you will not find many of them in todays market.that piece should be under the coiled match.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 14th January 2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ward

yes the end of yours should be hollow and when the match needs to be extinquished is put into the end of it. The omani is a lot more unusual and you should restore it you will not find many of them in todays market.that piece should be under the coiled match.

Salaams Ward, Nice collection.
The Omani weapon is known in Oman as "father of the match." Abu Futtila. The other term is Roumi meaning "long leaf" or "spear." Often wolf skin was wrapped around the cannon section where you rest your cheek on firing . Woolf skin was used to protect the wearer from evil spirits and or as strong talismanic majic. They are very rare now especially with the brass fire spoon and with original brass charge holders and belts. There are 3 types of gunpowder flask in either Gazelle horn, wood or Omani silver( Talahiiq). The Omanis made their own ammo and gunpowder .. The later from an odd looking plant called Sodoms apple which is a poisonous green leafed prolific monster with purple flowers growing wild here and mixed with locally mined sulphur etc. People clearly experimented with modern powders in the 20th C as I have several cannon ends only since modern gunpowder blows the first barrel weld and must have been hugely dangerous.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

A.alnakkas · 14th January 2012, 05:56 PM

I got nothing to add here except for the correct meaning of "Abu Fatilla"

In a literal translation, Abu Fatilla indeed would mean "father of the match" but "abu" is used here to denote "the one with the match"

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 14th January 2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

I got nothing to add here except for the correct meaning of "Abu Fatilla"

In a literal translation, Abu Fatilla indeed would mean "father of the match" but "abu" is used here to denote "the one with the match"

Salaams Lofty ... You know I was always told it was "father of" and even in the historical association and museum .... but it makes total and correct sense in "the one with" ... Shukran ! Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

A.alnakkas · 14th January 2012, 08:23 PM

Salam,

Abu does indeed mean "father of" but in particular contexts it can change to "one with" this linguistic feature exists in both classical fus'ha and various arabic accents. But more obvious in the accents ofcourse.

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Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Thats amazing! I can see on yours that the flash pan is the same as on mine, they look like a strange bird head when you look down on them. I wondered what you meant by 'match holder'! You mean this thing do you? That was rammed very firmly onto where the ramrod should be! What is its purpose?

22nd June 2008, 01:36 AM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	You know I had no idea it was Omani! And Early 18th century is a bonus for sure :-) Thanks Ward Gene

14th January 2012, 05:56 PM	#5
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	I got nothing to add here except for the correct meaning of "Abu Fatilla" In a literal translation, Abu Fatilla indeed would mean "father of the match" but "abu" is used here to denote "the one with the match"

14th January 2012, 08:23 PM	#7
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Salam, Abu does indeed mean "father of" but in particular contexts it can change to "one with" this linguistic feature exists in both classical fus'ha and various arabic accents. But more obvious in the accents ofcourse.