METEORIC PATREM MKII

drdavid · 27th May 2008, 08:24 AM

Beautiful work Lemmy, congratulations, love the consistency in the pamor
drd

lemmythesmith · 27th May 2008, 12:52 PM

Hi all! Thanks for the encouraging responses

Alan-All my own work! Yeah, the hilt is probably the weak point, a little large and the shape ain't quite right, particularly at the base-got a bit carried away with the dremel! Wrongko could do with being a little more angled upwards too.

Alam-You're spot on with the Sumatran influence, Gangawulung posted a really nice patrem a while back which kind of inspired this one!! No plans to offer my "daughter" for marriage.....

Next job (pamor currently in production) something much bigger and Balinese looking....

Jussi M. · 27th May 2008, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemmythesmith

All my own work!

Congratulations!

Your work looks awesome

Best,

J

Michel · 27th May 2008, 09:04 PM

Well done Lemmy,
Congratulations!
I understand You made the pendok as well. You really covered quite a bit of ground. with very different technics.
Bravo
Michel

lemmythesmith · 27th May 2008, 09:19 PM

Hi Michel! How's your latest project going? That pendok really taxed me trying to get it put together without any dents or flat areas-I cheated a little and used much thicker gauge brass than would be usual, it still seemed to take as long as the rough forging of the blade! (about 3 days)

Michel · 28th May 2008, 06:23 PM

Hi Lemmy,
you really did a nice job. The pendok, even with a thicker gage, is a challenge.
I just do not see how you managed to curl the pendok without letting any traces of your work. I took my old Metalsmith guide book, to try understand how you did this rising. The answer is : a hammer and a solid form against which the metal is bent. OK I would add some practice and a lot of patience. But how to get rid of the hammer strokes marks ? If the gauge is sufficient, may be the marks are not seen and the metal is nevertheless bend ?
Now about forging 27 odd pieces of different metal together is, at least a feat that I cannot realize. It looks very homogeneously done and gave your patrem a nice pamor which is , I guess, not planned. It just happened.
It is a ganjo iras, but you have marked the line of the ganjo. Is it the photo or is it the reality that the ganjo is widening downwards instead of the traditional way upwards ?
Is the ukiran in buffalo horn as well ? How did you find black buffalo horn in UK ?
Is the wronko made of two parts or did you manage to find a big piece of black buffalo horn ?
Many questions, Lemmy, just to let you know that I fully appreciate the work done. Congratulation
Regards
Michel

A. G. Maisey · 29th May 2008, 01:46 AM

Lemmy, a pendok is made on a mandrel, these are usually of cast bronze and are collectibles in their own right.The brass or other material is formed around the mandrel and silver soldered either along one side, or in the middle at the front, where the joint will be hidden by the ornamentation. A small cap is silver soldered onto the tip. The craftsmen can get the surface quite smooth straight off the mandrel, but excess dents are smoothed out with a file and wet and dry paper. Silver pendoks begin as little grains of silver that is melted and cast into a pig, this is then beaten out by hand into a fan shaped sheet, the edges where the joint will be made are left a little thicker than the body of the sheet, a little thicker means, on average, no more than about ten strikes less with the hammer. It takes about 3 days to make the sheet before the pendok itself begins to be made. A trade quality brass pendok can be made and decorated in about a day.As quality rises, so does the time taken to make the pendok.

Michel, the line of separation between blade body and gonjo varies according to tangguh, in fact, Lemmy's line of separation is quite similar to the angle seen in a Javanese blade of Tuban Mataram classification.

27th May 2008, 08:24 AM	#1
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Beautiful work Lemmy, congratulations, love the consistency in the pamor drd

27th May 2008, 12:52 PM	#2
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi all! Thanks for the encouraging responses Alan-All my own work! Yeah, the hilt is probably the weak point, a little large and the shape ain't quite right, particularly at the base-got a bit carried away with the dremel! Wrongko could do with being a little more angled upwards too. Alam-You're spot on with the Sumatran influence, Gangawulung posted a really nice patrem a while back which kind of inspired this one!! No plans to offer my "daughter" for marriage..... Next job (pamor currently in production) something much bigger and Balinese looking....

27th May 2008, 09:04 PM	#4
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Well done Lemmy, Congratulations! I understand You made the pendok as well. You really covered quite a bit of ground. with very different technics. Bravo Michel

27th May 2008, 09:19 PM	#5
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi Michel! How's your latest project going? That pendok really taxed me trying to get it put together without any dents or flat areas-I cheated a little and used much thicker gauge brass than would be usual, it still seemed to take as long as the rough forging of the blade! (about 3 days)

28th May 2008, 06:23 PM	#6
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Hi Lemmy, you really did a nice job. The pendok, even with a thicker gage, is a challenge. I just do not see how you managed to curl the pendok without letting any traces of your work. I took my old Metalsmith guide book, to try understand how you did this rising. The answer is : a hammer and a solid form against which the metal is bent. OK I would add some practice and a lot of patience. But how to get rid of the hammer strokes marks ? If the gauge is sufficient, may be the marks are not seen and the metal is nevertheless bend ? Now about forging 27 odd pieces of different metal together is, at least a feat that I cannot realize. It looks very homogeneously done and gave your patrem a nice pamor which is , I guess, not planned. It just happened. It is a ganjo iras, but you have marked the line of the ganjo. Is it the photo or is it the reality that the ganjo is widening downwards instead of the traditional way upwards ? Is the ukiran in buffalo horn as well ? How did you find black buffalo horn in UK ? Is the wronko made of two parts or did you manage to find a big piece of black buffalo horn ? Many questions, Lemmy, just to let you know that I fully appreciate the work done. Congratulation Regards Michel

29th May 2008, 01:46 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Lemmy, a pendok is made on a mandrel, these are usually of cast bronze and are collectibles in their own right.The brass or other material is formed around the mandrel and silver soldered either along one side, or in the middle at the front, where the joint will be hidden by the ornamentation. A small cap is silver soldered onto the tip. The craftsmen can get the surface quite smooth straight off the mandrel, but excess dents are smoothed out with a file and wet and dry paper. Silver pendoks begin as little grains of silver that is melted and cast into a pig, this is then beaten out by hand into a fan shaped sheet, the edges where the joint will be made are left a little thicker than the body of the sheet, a little thicker means, on average, no more than about ten strikes less with the hammer. It takes about 3 days to make the sheet before the pendok itself begins to be made. A trade quality brass pendok can be made and decorated in about a day.As quality rises, so does the time taken to make the pendok. Michel, the line of separation between blade body and gonjo varies according to tangguh, in fact, Lemmy's line of separation is quite similar to the angle seen in a Javanese blade of Tuban Mataram classification.