Bali togogan (figural) hilts

[A. G. Maisey]

Let's clarify things a bit.

I failed to number these pics when I put them up.

Sorry.

Let's make Ganesha # 1 and the then go clockwise:- Hanuman # 2, -----, -----.

Kai Wee, what is origin and period of this long bearded man handle?

[VVV]

Maybe Kai-Wee's long-bearded old (Chinese?) man is this hilt?
It looks like he is holding a vajra.

Michael

[David]

Originally Posted by VVV

It looks like he is holding a vajra.

Michael, that's an awesome hilt. I think that might be a bell with the vajra. It looks like a bell coming down from his hand. These are often used in conjunction with each other.

[VVV]

David,

That seems probable as it's held in the left hand. Left and the bell represents the female principle in Tantric Buddhism/Vajrayana. Right hand and the vajra the male principle. Unfortunately the right hand is missing on this hilt.

Michael

[BluErf]

Originally Posted by VVV

Maybe Kai-Wee's long-bearded old (Chinese?) man is this hilt?
It looks like he is holding a vajra.

Michael

Bingo! This is the one I'm referring to. Thanks Michael.

[Battara]

Ok the gold and ruby hilt I think is Bayu (carring a "fan") and the black and silver one I think is Hanuman....

[David]

Originally Posted by Battara

Ok the gold and ruby hilt I think is Bayu (carring a "fan") and the black and silver one I think is Hanuman....

Thanks for clarifying Jose. The reason why i do not believe that "ruby" is Bayu is because this hilt seems to have fangs implying that it is of a demonic nature. I might be mistaken, but i do not think that Bayu would have fangs.
The sapphire & ruby one also carries the fan (or is it a mirror) and i thought that could be Bayu. It seems to be a popular ID for this style of hilt, but it could be a misinterpretation.

[Jussi M.]

I have no clue what I am looking at but I do know I like what I see

[VVV]

According to Kerner (pict 142-143 in the A4 book) the hilt I showed above is Agastya. In the, missing, right hand he holds a vessel with holy water and in the left a bell according to Kerner.
Agastya was a Shaiva-hermit with his own cult. He has a statue in for instance the Candi Singhasari, next to Durga, and probably represents both Shiva and a royal ancestor in a nocturnal magic ancestor cult.

Michael

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Let's clarify things a bit.

I failed to number these pics when I put them up.

Sorry.

Let's make Ganesha # 1 and the then go clockwise:- Hanuman # 2, -----, -----

Sorry Alan, that still doesn't work. Depending on how big i open up my screen the hilts change position. I can get 2 on top and 2 on bottom or 3 on top and 1 on bottom (in these 2 variations the last 2 hilts switch positions) My screen at work is very larger and i can even get them to go straight across in one row when opened all the way.
One of these last 2 is golder (in the photo) and has mostly rubies (lets call this one "ruby"). The other has better detail and about half sapphire and half rubies (let's call this one "sapphire").