Silver mounted badek for coments

fernando · 20th April 2008, 07:23 PM

Thank you for your kind words, Barry and Newsteel

I thaught i would post today the decoration on the scabbard opposite side. Yesterday i didn't notice that the two sides had a different detail ... i had bought this piece a couple hours before i took the first pictures

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Thank you Kronckew, for the hint on the spelling. Once you mention the different vowels pronunciation amongst the various english speaking natives, i can not ignore that latinic languages have a completely distinct sound for them. Being phonetics the main reason for the different transliterations, i guess that Badik will be the closest sound/spell for me to adopt

Fernando
PS
Isn't Buttin French ( latinic) speaking ?

CharlesS · 20th April 2008, 10:36 PM

I tend to be very conservative about dating...at least that's what I am told.

I would say the blade is 19th century. The silver work is a tougher call because similar to identical patterns are used today in low grade silver work for both new pieces and restorations.

The central panel of silver work is more common(today) than the work at the scabbard mouth in my opinion, so I think in combination this is very old work, certainly no later then very early 20th Century.....just my opinion.

Gonzalo G · 20th April 2008, 11:33 PM

Excuse me, does any of you have historical references about this kind of work in silver? I mean, it can only be made chiselled from "above" with the scabbard already formed and soldered, or it can be made with a combination of repousee and chiselling, from both sides of the open piece, and the scabbard finally been closed and soldered, which is a very difficult thing to do as the fitting among the borders would be distorted by the previous work. I´ve read many times the use of the word "repousee" applied to both kind of techniques. Chiselling can also be made creating different levels on the surface (volumes), and not only as a plain one level draw. Thank you.

asomotif · 23rd April 2008, 12:32 PM

Dear Gonzalo,

Nice badek. Good addition to any collection.
I have no historical info on this workmanship.
But I am told that this work needs working from both sides of the metal sheet.
If this is done the old way a lot of work and time goed into it.
The metal must be heated and cooled down between the forging to prevent it from cracking.

Battara · 23rd April 2008, 09:19 PM

Gonzalo, chiseling refers to more of an engraving process where material is removed from the surface. Repousse is where the sheet metal must be thin and hammered from both sides (one side would be called chasing). Asomotif is right in that the material for repousse must be reheated constantly.

Nice repousse on the badik scabbard.

fernando · 24th April 2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

... Nice repousse on the badik scabbard.

Nice to hear that, José.
I see that this time i've got myself a decent piece.
Fernando

asomotif · 24th April 2008, 12:00 PM

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I see that this time i've got myself a decent piece.

Very decent IMHO

20th April 2008, 07:23 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you for your kind words, Barry and Newsteel I thaught i would post today the decoration on the scabbard opposite side. Yesterday i didn't notice that the two sides had a different detail ... i had bought this piece a couple hours before i took the first pictures . Thank you Kronckew, for the hint on the spelling. Once you mention the different vowels pronunciation amongst the various english speaking natives, i can not ignore that latinic languages have a completely distinct sound for them. Being phonetics the main reason for the different transliterations, i guess that Badik will be the closest sound/spell for me to adopt Fernando PS Isn't Buttin French ( latinic) speaking ? Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 20th April 2008 at 07:34 PM.

24th April 2008, 12:00 PM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	PHP Code: `I see that this time i've got myself a decent piece.` Very decent IMHO

20th April 2008, 10:36 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I tend to be very conservative about dating...at least that's what I am told. I would say the blade is 19th century. The silver work is a tougher call because similar to identical patterns are used today in low grade silver work for both new pieces and restorations. The central panel of silver work is more common(today) than the work at the scabbard mouth in my opinion, so I think in combination this is very old work, certainly no later then very early 20th Century.....just my opinion.

20th April 2008, 11:33 PM	#3
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Excuse me, does any of you have historical references about this kind of work in silver? I mean, it can only be made chiselled from "above" with the scabbard already formed and soldered, or it can be made with a combination of repousee and chiselling, from both sides of the open piece, and the scabbard finally been closed and soldered, which is a very difficult thing to do as the fitting among the borders would be distorted by the previous work. I´ve read many times the use of the word "repousee" applied to both kind of techniques. Chiselling can also be made creating different levels on the surface (volumes), and not only as a plain one level draw. Thank you.

23rd April 2008, 12:32 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Dear Gonzalo, Nice badek. Good addition to any collection. I have no historical info on this workmanship. But I am told that this work needs working from both sides of the metal sheet. If this is done the old way a lot of work and time goed into it. The metal must be heated and cooled down between the forging to prevent it from cracking.

23rd April 2008, 09:19 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Gonzalo, chiseling refers to more of an engraving process where material is removed from the surface. Repousse is where the sheet metal must be thin and hammered from both sides (one side would be called chasing). Asomotif is right in that the material for repousse must be reheated constantly. Nice repousse on the badik scabbard.