Old Firangi with unidentified maker's name

tom hyle · 24th March 2005, 01:34 PM

Yeah, and how about Jem Haddar? (I don't know how to spell that, don't claim to, and even don't want to)

Conogre · 24th March 2005, 04:18 PM

LOL!
Star Trek came by it honestly, with the "Dune" series of novels by Frank Herbert showing just how alien a culture can be, right here on earth, with very few changes being necessary to make it fit another galaxy, far, far away, from a Jihad right on down.
Mike

Jens Nordlunde · 25th March 2005, 09:33 AM

I doubt very much, that anyone with knowledge of typefaces would try a guess, and if someone did, the answer would be very vague, and therefore of little or no use. Maybe, if the letters were regarded as a logo, a result can be reached, but this would mean books with European factory stamps – anyone volunteer?
Ian, on the top picture where you show the two stamps, it seems as if the edge is ‘hollow’. Is it, or does it only look so to me? If it is, this could be of some help too, if we bring in the forum specialists on European blades.
Nice Firangi - when you get it cleaned

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Jens

tom hyle · 25th March 2005, 02:19 PM

Pretty sure that's the spine, with a groove running beside it, that those are pictures of both sides of the blade, and that both are marked?

Jens Nordlunde · 25th March 2005, 03:15 PM

Hi Tom, you may very well be right, but then, why don't you see the fuller on the other picture? I agree that this counts for the edge too

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Jens

Rick · 25th March 2005, 05:23 PM

Hi Jens , I think it may be a matter of lighting that makes the fuller on the other side hard to distinguish .

Ian · 25th March 2005, 05:34 PM

Jens:

There is a narrow fuller running along the back of the blade on each side. In the bottom picture above, showing the marks, the top view has the edge to the top of the picture and the bottom view has the edge to the bottom of the picture. Which means the maker's name was stamped upside down in the top view -- looks sloppy to me. I imagine this was produced by a stamping tool which was used on one side and then the blade was turned over to stamp the other side. Perhaps this speaks to a degree of mechanisation of the blade manufacturing process. Could this have been a European trade blade that was produced in some quantity for the Indian market?

BTW the type face looks very close to an English font called Caslon Old Style (dating from 1725), one of the Venetian family of fonts used by early printers. In particular, the serifs on the "T" and "L" suggest Caslon Old Style. See: http://graphicdesign.sfcc.spokane.cc...s.htm#oldstyle

Ian.

25th March 2005, 09:33 AM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I doubt very much, that anyone with knowledge of typefaces would try a guess, and if someone did, the answer would be very vague, and therefore of little or no use. Maybe, if the letters were regarded as a logo, a result can be reached, but this would mean books with European factory stamps – anyone volunteer? Ian, on the top picture where you show the two stamps, it seems as if the edge is ‘hollow’. Is it, or does it only look so to me? If it is, this could be of some help too, if we bring in the forum specialists on European blades. Nice Firangi - when you get it cleaned. Jens

25th March 2005, 05:34 PM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,401	Jens: There is a narrow fuller running along the back of the blade on each side. In the bottom picture above, showing the marks, the top view has the edge to the top of the picture and the bottom view has the edge to the bottom of the picture. Which means the maker's name was stamped upside down in the top view -- looks sloppy to me. I imagine this was produced by a stamping tool which was used on one side and then the blade was turned over to stamp the other side. Perhaps this speaks to a degree of mechanisation of the blade manufacturing process. Could this have been a European trade blade that was produced in some quantity for the Indian market? BTW the type face looks very close to an English font called Caslon Old Style (dating from 1725), one of the Venetian family of fonts used by early printers. In particular, the serifs on the "T" and "L" suggest Caslon Old Style. See: http://graphicdesign.sfcc.spokane.cc...s.htm#oldstyle Ian. Last edited by Ian; 25th March 2005 at 05:51 PM.

24th March 2005, 01:34 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Yeah, and how about Jem Haddar? (I don't know how to spell that, don't claim to, and even don't want to)

24th March 2005, 04:18 PM	#2
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	LOL! Star Trek came by it honestly, with the "Dune" series of novels by Frank Herbert showing just how alien a culture can be, right here on earth, with very few changes being necessary to make it fit another galaxy, far, far away, from a Jihad right on down. Mike

25th March 2005, 02:19 PM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Pretty sure that's the spine, with a groove running beside it, that those are pictures of both sides of the blade, and that both are marked?

25th March 2005, 03:15 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Tom, you may very well be right, but then, why don't you see the fuller on the other picture? I agree that this counts for the edge too . Jens

25th March 2005, 05:23 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Hi Jens , I think it may be a matter of lighting that makes the fuller on the other side hard to distinguish .