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Old 9th January 2008, 05:19 PM   #1
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Alam & Penangsang,

If the monk had passed away, no one have bloodline relation with him. If his keris had an "isi", will the "isi" be inactive forever?
I was told that the 'isi' would probably seek a new owner... depends on the strength of the 'isi'.

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According to "isi", in my town, a lot of people believe in "isi", not only in keris but also in stone (such as akik), talisman (e.g. rajah?!) and wood (such as warangka).

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Likewise, in the old malay world... but then again, there are a few school of thoughts, depending on different belief systems.
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Old 14th January 2008, 12:34 PM   #2
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Greetings to all keris lovers,

I was wondering if someone (especially our Indonesian or Malayan friends) can enlight us about the way a keris might "react" if some thief or burglar is, for example, trying to get to someone that his house is been guarded by a keris. Only by rattling in it's sheath? Any other info that you might have heard?

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Old 14th January 2008, 01:21 PM   #3
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George,

A lot of versions. However, I think everyone will be hesitated to tell stories. For example, someone said that his keris gave a sign by rattling whenever there was a thief inside his premises. One of his listeners gave a comment that Indonesia and Malaysia are located on volcano-rings that earthquake could happen everytime. This comment is considered as logic and smart observation. On the other hand, embarassing and losing face to the source person who still has Melayu conception and culture in his dailylife.

So... it is wise not to expect to much to get magical/illogical stories in scientific/logic forum.

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Old 14th January 2008, 01:47 PM   #4
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someone said that his keris gave a sign by rattling whenever there was a thief inside his premises. One of his listeners gave a comment that Indonesia and Malaysia are located on volcano-rings that earthquake could happen everytime.
So... it is wise not to expect to much to get magical/illogical stories in scientific/logic forum.

warm salam,
OeS
I think that this explanation is far too simple and not so logic. Plus it underestimates the storyteller. Like he is in no position to understand if the ground beneath his legs is moving or not!


And I think that in a forum everything should be discussed, either is logic or not. I understand that the majority of people might not express their view, because they might think that they are going to lose face. Or the rest of the forum users might say they are not so "serious". Anyway,I think this is an interesting topic!

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Old 14th January 2008, 04:27 PM   #5
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George,

This is just one of stories that I collected. Years ago, in Gunung Kidul (Jogja, Indonesia), I got a story about Kiai Konang (Konang is Jawa word which means Firefly/Gloworm). Kiai Konang is a tombak (spearhead): perhaps it is classified as Korowelang shape, luks 13 and pedaringan kebak pamor.

Once day, there was a robbery attempt in the house of Kiai Konang. Knowing in dangerous situation, the owner unsheathed Kiai Konang. In short, the robbers run away.

Weeks/months later, the robbers were caught by police. In their testimonies, when they tried to steal in the house of Kiai Konang, they showed that the owner of the house held a pusaka. That pusaka sparked light/fire like firefly. Facing with odd phenomenon, the robbers run away.

After that, the spear point was given a name: Kiai Firefly.

Based on that story, we may conclude that the sign of keris/pusaka (if It can give and you believe in) varies.

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George,

This is just one of stories that I collected. Years ago, in Gunung Kidul (Jogja, Indonesia), I got a story about Kiai Konang (Konang is Jawa word which means Firefly/Gloworm). Kiai Konang is a tombak (spearhead): perhaps it is classified as Korowelang shape, luks 13 and pedaringan kebak pamor.

Once day, there was a robbery attempt in the house of Kiai Konang. Knowing in dangerous situation, the owner unsheathed Kiai Konang. In short, the robbers run away.

Weeks/months later, the robbers were caught by police. In their testimonies, when they tried to steal in the house of Kiai Konang, they showed that the owner of the house held a pusaka. That pusaka sparked light/fire like firefly. Facing with odd phenomenon, the robbers run away.

After that, the spear point was given a name: Kiai Firefly.

Based on that story, we may conclude that the sign of keris/pusaka (if It can give and you believe in) varies.

warm salam,

OeS

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Old 14th January 2008, 05:58 PM   #7
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George,

One of my hobbies is to collect keris stories. Compared with my other hobby, to collect keris, It was free of charge. Only need to spend for transportation.

The hobby to collect keris stories, actually, came after. The first is aiming to collect kerises. However, as a university student in Jogjakarta, even to buy a keris which was considered as "beringharjo traditional market class", I had to save 1 or 2 months from my scholarship grant. Then, I modified. Instead of collecting/buying, I went from home to home to gather stories.

The stories have a lot of angels. Some were very interesting. Some were very boring. But, whatever te stories were my commitment was to be a good listener as far as I could. One of side positive impact to be a stories gather. I could map the distibution and the movement of pusakas in my hometown, of course outside Jogja palace. Mr So and So had Kanjeng Kiai Such and Such which based on the legend Kiai Such and Such was used for important mission once upon the time. FUNNY.... I enjoyed it. Another positive impact I always hope, whenever there is a movement keris (considered as pusaka class) and affordable at that moment, I know what should I do.

Logic and Illogic,

Based on tens people I met successfully, they told keris from logical aspects only if considering me as their new acquintance or a stranger. More they talked more they tended to tell something which was illogic aspect of keris. They called that aspect as spiritual, klenik, true-story, macrocosmos, genie, isi et cetera et cetera et cetera. In my conclution was only one: they talked about POWER of KERIS.

I dont know here, in this lovely forum, Keris Waroeng Kopi. Beside of art aspects of Keris, how deep do the members take unspoken consideration of illogical aspect of keris. However, I have never to rise that question since, imho, it is too provocative, isnt it?!

warm salam,

OeS
Romo Somo "zonder mistik, keris is less interesting"
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