Keeping a keris for protection

[PenangsangII]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Perhaps. Should the original bloodline pass it on to someone else as mentioned, normally there would be a ceremony, for the 'transfer of ownership' with the name of the 'guardian' / 'isi', be made known... together with the accompanying rituals, based on what I understand.

Yes blood is thicker than water.....but not necessarily having the bloodline will entitle you to own a pusaka....normally the "isi" knows who can maintain the keris....and the person could be a total stranger.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Yes blood is thicker than water.....but not necessarily having the bloodline will entitle you to own a pusaka....normally the "isi" knows who can maintain the keris....and the person could be a total stranger.

I agree... a stranger but not a nobody.

[Raden Usman Djogja]

Lets imagine there was an unmarried buddhist/hindhuist monk commissioning a keris pusaka.

[Raden Usman Djogja]

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

Lets imagine there was an unmarried buddhist/hindhuist monk commissioning a keris pusaka.

Alam & Penangsang,

If the monk had passed away, no one have bloodline relation with him. If his keris had an "isi", will the "isi" be inactive forever?

According to "isi", in my town, a lot of people believe in "isi", not only in keris but also in stone (such as akik), talisman (e.g. rajah?!) and wood (such as warangka).

regards,
Usman

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

Alam & Penangsang,

If the monk had passed away, no one have bloodline relation with him. If his keris had an "isi", will the "isi" be inactive forever?

I was told that the 'isi' would probably seek a new owner... depends on the strength of the 'isi'.

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

According to "isi", in my town, a lot of people believe in "isi", not only in keris but also in stone (such as akik), talisman (e.g. rajah?!) and wood (such as warangka).

regards,
Usman

Likewise, in the old malay world... but then again, there are a few school of thoughts, depending on different belief systems.

[pakana]

Greetings to all keris lovers,

I was wondering if someone (especially our Indonesian or Malayan friends) can enlight us about the way a keris might "react" if some thief or burglar is, for example, trying to get to someone that his house is been guarded by a keris. Only by rattling in it's sheath? Any other info that you might have heard?

George

[Raden Usman Djogja]

George,

A lot of versions. However, I think everyone will be hesitated to tell stories. For example, someone said that his keris gave a sign by rattling whenever there was a thief inside his premises. One of his listeners gave a comment that Indonesia and Malaysia are located on volcano-rings that earthquake could happen everytime. This comment is considered as logic and smart observation. On the other hand, embarassing and losing face to the source person who still has Melayu conception and culture in his dailylife.

So... it is wise not to expect to much to get magical/illogical stories in scientific/logic forum.

warm salam,
OeS