Ebay fraud alert

nechesh · 18th March 2005, 08:53 PM

Yeah Rick, but i only sent them a list of 4 auction numbers, since these were all auction i know belong to Derreck. But i seriously suspect ALL 9 of his auctions are the same deal.

Rick · 18th March 2005, 09:09 PM

I contacted Derreck directly .

I'm afraid we may be entering a new wave of fraud auctions all over ebay .
There is qiute a bit of chatter in the ebay security forums about this .

Fortunately most of these *Sellers*

are from mainland China so seller location can help in identifying frauds .

Mare Rosu · 18th March 2005, 09:15 PM

All nine items are now canceled by eBay.
Someone need to be thanked for this action.

LabanTayo · 19th March 2005, 04:01 AM

last year, i had someone from china email through ebay trying to sell moro kris's. the funny thing is, the pics were from federico's site. i passed it along to federico. i never heard back from that person.
blatant ignorance.....

Ian · 19th March 2005, 04:41 AM

Thanks for keeping such a watchful eye.

Federico · 19th March 2005, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LabanTayo

last year, i had someone from china email through ebay trying to sell moro kris's. the funny thing is, the pics were from federico's site. i passed it along to federico. i never heard back from that person.
blatant ignorance.....

What got me once, was one person tried to sell me a sword with pics from my site as well. I can get the idea of trying to con someone with stolen pics, but I thought it hilarious they were trying to con the person they stole the pics from.

Radu Transylvanicus · 14th April 2005, 07:59 AM

Is really ,,Made in China,, synonimous with disaster in every E-bay transaction ? Should we absolutely refrain from buying such or just a simple ,,caveat emptor,, ... aside from being politically incorect can someone tell me something on this matter ?

BluErf · 14th April 2005, 01:30 PM

Yes, the Chinese are famed for faking everything, from antique terracotta figurines to teapots to milk powder to eggs (yes!!! fake eggs!!!! sold for consumption, to the detriment of the consumers' health).

I don't trust any antiques that comes out of China. Its 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999%
fake.

Rick · 14th April 2005, 02:21 PM

I concur Blu , as far as I know China has a very strict law against the exportation of ANY antiques .

Andrew · 14th April 2005, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radu Transylvanicus

Is really ,,Made in China,, synonimous with disaster in every E-bay transaction ? Should we absolutely refrain from buying such or just a simple ,,caveat emptor,, ... aside from being politically incorect can someone tell me something on this matter ?

Good question, Radu. Unfortunately, several factors conspire against even the most sophisticated antique collector that wants to purchase Chinese items through eBay (or even non-Chinese items from Chinese sellers). Ebay is a notoriously difficult forum to make informed decisions regarding antiques. Accordingly, caveat emptor should be the mantra of anyone looking to buy there, regardless of where the seller is located.

Also, particularly with regard to swords and antique items, many, many Chinese sellers have built an apparantly deserved reputation for peddling fakes on line via "private" auctions with exhorbitant shipping prices. Scott Rodell, a moderator on SFI and international Kung Fu instructor/dealer in antique Chinese arms wrote an article about his visit to one of the many factories in mainland China pumping out fake antiques. Thus, the fraud is well documented.

Finally, as others have pointed out, it is a rare genuine Chinese antique that will be sold from mainland China due to strict laws prohibiting it.

Yes, I'm sure there are legitimate Chinese vendors on eBay. However, this is likely a case of many bad apples spoiling the bunch. I've purchased a few swords from the Chinese eBay sellers, and all have been garbage. On the other hand, the few items I've purchased from Chinese sellers located outside of Mainland China have been the genuine article.

I just don't buy from sellers located in China, as the odds are clearly against me.

Best regards,
Andrew

Radu Transylvanicus · 15th April 2005, 06:38 AM

,,CAVEAT EMPTYOR POCKETS,,
So far sounds like an unanimous Forum call to boycot all mainland China E-bay sellers and hitherto artifuckts ... The very bad news is that India started to plagiate antiques in a same manner lately , satellite retailers of mass producers like EC21 (www.ec21.net/co/a/arms) sell their ,,honestly documented,, pieces on a ,,grey market,, with scaterred retail slogans like : Ancient Mughal dagger 1700`s , Indo-Persia ... and somewhere thrown in ,,I am not a certified antique expert but this stuff looks really old to me, an old reputed collector give me the information,, while the dont even bother to change the pictures from what the maker has on its website ... so pathetic and annoying ...
Also, lots of fakes roam the Turkish bazaars but they didnt make it to E-Bay yet ... Again : ,,CAVEAT EMPTYOR POCKETS,,

18th March 2005, 09:15 PM	#3
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	GONE All nine items are now canceled by eBay. Someone need to be thanked for this action.

19th March 2005, 04:41 AM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,453	Good job guys. Thanks for keeping such a watchful eye.

15th April 2005, 06:38 AM	#11
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	,,CAVEAT EMPTYOR POCKETS,, So far sounds like an unanimous Forum call to boycot all mainland China E-bay sellers and hitherto artifuckts ... The very bad news is that India started to plagiate antiques in a same manner lately , satellite retailers of mass producers like EC21 (www.ec21.net/co/a/arms) sell their ,,honestly documented,, pieces on a ,,grey market,, with scaterred retail slogans like : Ancient Mughal dagger 1700`s , Indo-Persia ... and somewhere thrown in ,,I am not a certified antique expert but this stuff looks really old to me, an old reputed collector give me the information,, while the dont even bother to change the pictures from what the maker has on its website ... so pathetic and annoying ... Also, lots of fakes roam the Turkish bazaars but they didnt make it to E-Bay yet ... Again : ,,CAVEAT EMPTYOR POCKETS,, Last edited by Radu Transylvanicus; 15th April 2005 at 06:54 AM.

18th March 2005, 08:53 PM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Yeah Rick, but i only sent them a list of 4 auction numbers, since these were all auction i know belong to Derreck. But i seriously suspect ALL 9 of his auctions are the same deal.

18th March 2005, 09:09 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	I contacted Derreck directly . I'm afraid we may be entering a new wave of fraud auctions all over ebay . There is qiute a bit of chatter in the ebay security forums about this . Fortunately most of these Sellers are from mainland China so seller location can help in identifying frauds .

19th March 2005, 04:01 AM	#4
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	last year, i had someone from china email through ebay trying to sell moro kris's. the funny thing is, the pics were from federico's site. i passed it along to federico. i never heard back from that person. blatant ignorance.....

14th April 2005, 07:59 AM	#7
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Is really ,,Made in China,, synonimous with disaster in every E-bay transaction ? Should we absolutely refrain from buying such or just a simple ,,caveat emptor,, ... aside from being politically incorect can someone tell me something on this matter ?

14th April 2005, 01:30 PM	#8
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Yes, the Chinese are famed for faking everything, from antique terracotta figurines to teapots to milk powder to eggs (yes!!! fake eggs!!!! sold for consumption, to the detriment of the consumers' health). I don't trust any antiques that comes out of China. Its 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999% fake.

14th April 2005, 02:21 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	I concur Blu , as far as I know China has a very strict law against the exportation of ANY antiques .