E. Java or Lombok keris blade?

sipakatuo · 21st December 2007, 12:06 PM

The pelet arrangement on the batang called Baris Jajar and it means to bring happines and prosperity for Suku Lombok. The type of Hulu called Bandolan, it is common, and wear by ordinary people. Pls see below:

BluErf · 22nd December 2007, 02:12 AM

Thank you all for sharing your opinions and information. I appreciate it!

Newsteel · 27th December 2007, 06:51 AM

That kind of sheath what we know belong to Lombok. But I heard from some, the Balinese claim that kind of wrangka (axe like) also belong to them.. I guess there is no right wrong answer for this...

Another opinion gathered was that, the bigger sheath was meant to show bravery and might scared the other opponent. I don't know how valid this is.

BluErf, that blade is nice to hold. Very sturdy blade and amazingly pretty light too. Love it...

RobT · 13th January 2008, 10:09 PM

Hi All,
I've been following this discussion avidly because of a keris that I recently purchased that seems to be a Balinese/Javanese hybrid. I would have entered the discussion earlier but today was the first day that has been sunny enough for me to take pictures. These are the features that I'm having trouble reconciling (note that the uwer isn't original to the piece but I don't think the one that it came with was original either as it was a simple, poorly made cone, that didn't match the quality of the blade or the dress).:
1. The blade and dress, aside from the hilt, look Javanese.
2. The hilt looks Balinese.
3. The wood of the hilt and the wranka match.
4. The blade fits the sheath perfectly.
5. The blade and sheath are noticeably larger than typical for Javanese pieces.
6. The dress is all of good quality.
7. The blade looks old, of good quality and pure Javanese (not like some of the more recently made Madura pieces made in a Balinese style).
I have included a three luk Javanese blade for size comparison. I am really interested in what you all make of this piece.
Sincerely,
RobT

kai · 14th January 2008, 10:04 AM

Hello Rob,

Eastern Jawa?

Some more close-ups may help...

Regards,
Kai

RobT · 15th January 2008, 01:35 AM

Hi kai,
Thanks for the reply. I'll try to take some better pictures this weekend if I get good sunlight. Do many eastern Java keris have Balinese hilts and do the blades in some cases tend to be larger than in the rest of Java?
Sincerely,
RobT

David · 15th January 2008, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobT

Hi kai,
Thanks for the reply. I'll try to take some better pictures this weekend if I get good sunlight. Do many eastern Java keris have Balinese hilts and do the blades in some cases tend to be larger than in the rest of Java?
Sincerely,
RobT

I believe East Jawa is known to have a fair sized Bali community so i believe the influence stems from there.

21st December 2007, 12:06 PM	#1
sipakatuo Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	The pelet arrangement on the batang called Baris Jajar and it means to bring happines and prosperity for Suku Lombok. The type of Hulu called Bandolan, it is common, and wear by ordinary people. Pls see below: Attached Images Last edited by sipakatuo; 21st December 2007 at 12:28 PM.

13th January 2008, 10:09 PM	#4
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 594	another hybrid? Hi All, I've been following this discussion avidly because of a keris that I recently purchased that seems to be a Balinese/Javanese hybrid. I would have entered the discussion earlier but today was the first day that has been sunny enough for me to take pictures. These are the features that I'm having trouble reconciling (note that the uwer isn't original to the piece but I don't think the one that it came with was original either as it was a simple, poorly made cone, that didn't match the quality of the blade or the dress).: 1. The blade and dress, aside from the hilt, look Javanese. 2. The hilt looks Balinese. 3. The wood of the hilt and the wranka match. 4. The blade fits the sheath perfectly. 5. The blade and sheath are noticeably larger than typical for Javanese pieces. 6. The dress is all of good quality. 7. The blade looks old, of good quality and pure Javanese (not like some of the more recently made Madura pieces made in a Balinese style). I have included a three luk Javanese blade for size comparison. I am really interested in what you all make of this piece. Sincerely, RobT Attached Images

22nd December 2007, 02:12 AM	#2
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Thank you all for sharing your opinions and information. I appreciate it!

27th December 2007, 06:51 AM	#3
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	That kind of sheath what we know belong to Lombok. But I heard from some, the Balinese claim that kind of wrangka (axe like) also belong to them.. I guess there is no right wrong answer for this... Another opinion gathered was that, the bigger sheath was meant to show bravery and might scared the other opponent. I don't know how valid this is. BluErf, that blade is nice to hold. Very sturdy blade and amazingly pretty light too. Love it...

14th January 2008, 10:04 AM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Rob, Eastern Jawa? Some more close-ups may help... Regards, Kai

15th January 2008, 01:35 AM	#6
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 594	Hi kai, Thanks for the reply. I'll try to take some better pictures this weekend if I get good sunlight. Do many eastern Java keris have Balinese hilts and do the blades in some cases tend to be larger than in the rest of Java? Sincerely, RobT