UK bans Japanese swords.

fearn · 17th December 2007, 05:38 AM

Well, they join throwing stars in California on the "illegal--hunh???" list. I wonder how cheap is still legal, or how often you have to go to the dojo to be considered a martial artist...

I predict a rise in violent crimes perpetrated with claymores and rapiers, myself.

F

Rich · 17th December 2007, 05:42 AM

May the gods protect us from the idiot politicians who think any type
of weapon is dangerous. It's the stupid people who misuse them that
are dangerous, not the knife, sword, throwing star, etc. Of perhaps it's
just that politicians who are dangerous to our freedom. My question is:
who protects us from the politicians??

Rich S

David · 17th December 2007, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearn

I wonder how cheap is still legal, or how often you have to go to the dojo to be considered a martial artist...

And lord knows martial artists never commit crimes...

kahnjar1 · 17th December 2007, 06:04 AM

At least in this country (New Zealand), sanity still prevails!!! If you are a POM you had better get used to no kitchen knives---they will be next!! This spanks of the reaction a few years ago re firearms in the UK.

kronckew · 17th December 2007, 08:40 AM

those two instances are the only ones i've ever heard about. there are no hordes of unwashed barbarian ronin wandering our streets slicing peasants for the fun of it.

they banned guns a few years back, gun crime goes up about 50%
of course criminals don't obey the law, guns flood in from eastern europe, machine shops convert non-firing metal replica guns, or make new ones from scratch.

there have been a number of highly published shootings of teen agers recently, so the govt. had to do something. they've already banned guns; so they've banned samurai swords in order to appear to have 'done something'. this is a trial to see how much objection they get, they'll then have a precedent for the next ban.

they are setting us up for the next round. they've been talking about sharp pointy things and publishing studies by 'eminent' doctors (or is that imminent

) saying there is no need for a knife to have a point and all knives sold should have rounded points. it's not the law yet, but i see it coming. of course we all know knives and swords with rounded points are unable to cause damage

didn't they ban pointy bolos in the philippines once? those square tipped bolos couldn't slice anyone then, i guess.

my dha is also 'safe' i guess

plastic (rounded tip of course) knives and forks are next, followed by making even them illegal. reminds me of the PC ZT principal in a US elementary school who hauled a five year old girl into his office and screamed and yelled at her for breaking the rule that scissors could not be brought into the school. the scissors were plastic (rounded points again) and had been handed out by the school for arts and crafts class. the girl was so scared she wee'd on the floor so the principal called the police and had her arrested for assault. great example to our youth.

they have not figured out that the tool is not the weapon, it's the mind behind it.

Tim Simmons · 17th December 2007, 09:32 AM

The axe man cometh. The sign of the axe

. A ban on those nasty cheap swords, I wipeth the spears from mine eyes.

kronckew · 17th December 2007, 10:43 AM

ah, but axes are covered by the existing 'offensive weapons' laws, which cover anything with a point or blade or any other tool or device which can be reasonably expected to be able to cause harm to a person. they cannot be carried off your property without a valid reason, such as martial arts or an arms show, but it's the police & crown prosecutors who decide on the validity, not you.

if the police suspect that prohibited items under the act are in your possession, they may apply for a warrant to search your premises and seize any weapons and any others found in the pursuit of the warrant, but not directly mentioned therein, and a judge may issue an instruction to have them destroyed (even if you are found innocent) 'taking in to account the value thereof and it's impact on the accused' (?).

as there is no such thing as a 'defensive' weapon, even if you ARE on your property, using one for defence is considered as use of an offensive weapon with the intent to cause greavous bodily harm & can result in prosecution.

here's a decent linky on UK knife law: at British Knife Collecters Guild

a recent case involved a man burgled and attacked in his own home who picked up a steak knife & wounded the poor club wealding perpetrator, who said he was just trying to get away, the homeowner was prosecuted for assault with an offensive weapon and greavous bodily harm. the burglar testified for the crown & was given immunity.

what a world, what a world.....

Rich · 17th December 2007, 11:12 AM

You Brits can't be trusted with anything dangerous. Those forks with their
sharp tines are surely deadly weapons. Soon only broad wooden spoons
will be allowed. Then they'll be used to beat each other over the head.
May the gods save us from arsine politicians.

Rich

katana · 17th December 2007, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

they are setting us up for the next round. they've been talking about sharp pointy things and publishing studies by 'eminent' doctors (or is that imminent

) saying there is no need for a knife to have a point and all knives sold should have rounded points. it's not the law yet, but i see it coming. of course we all know knives and swords with rounded points are unable to cause damage

didn't they ban pointy bolos in the philippines once? those square tipped bolos couldn't slice anyone then, i guess.
.

STOP PRESS;

MP's DECIDE SHARP POINTY THINGS ARE DANGEROUS ...AND DECIDE TO SET AN EXAMPLE ...BY REMODELLING THE HOUSE OF COMMONs.
An insider is quoted as saying "you never know, an airline passenger may jump from their plane ....and impale himself on the spire of Big Ben.
'Cotton wool ' lawns are being considered as well , in case, the proposed hapless passenger misses.......

An artist's impression of the modifications...

Rick · 17th December 2007, 11:22 PM

Are you organising a resistance movement ?
Please do .

kahnjar1 · 18th December 2007, 04:22 AM

These two words should NEVER be used together. Just to add to what I have already said about this subject in relation to our own laws in NZ, I would share this little bit which came out of the Canadian attempt to register each and every firearm (gun) in Canada.
They required that the MODEL number of the item HAD to be used, and to that end there were thousands of Ruger 10/22 rifles appearing for registration. Unfortunately for the poor sod who was doing the recording, the model number was accidently substituted for the SERIAL number, so noone actually knew who had which rifle!! And just to cap it all of, one overzealous cop DEMANDED that the owner register his WELLA SOLDERING GUN---I kid you not!!
So, if you live in the UK, get all those knives (and anything that remotely resembles a knife) ready for registration, and good luck to the STUPID politicians who dream up this crap! Its going to cost someone $$$Millions.

A. G. Maisey · 18th December 2007, 04:43 AM

I live in the state of New South Wales, in Australia. In early 2004, as a requirement under the Act, the NSW government initiated a review of the Weapons Prohibition Act. The then Minister for Police made public his intention of ensuring that one of the results of the review of this Act would be restrictions on the ownership of swords. His prime concern at the time appeared to be "samurai swords".

This review has not yet been completed.
I have been advised by a member of the reviewing body that the completion and release for public comment of the review, and its recommendations, is imminent.

When the results of this review are available I will ensure that all members of this forum are made aware of the content of the report and recommendations.

It is absolutely pointless to get emotional about these bans that are spreading across the world like a plague. This is a political matter, and the only way in which to effectively combat it is by political and legal means.If any of us wish to oppose these bans, this opposition must be mounted in a way that politicians may take note of, however, the problem here is that we are a very small minority group, and simply are not able to pose any significant threat to any political agenda.

Because of our limited numbers, perhaps the only way in which we might be able to impact upon these ill thought out political actions is to act in concert. In other words every single one of us, right across the world, should write to the relevant politician in whatever country, each time the government of a country proposes introduction of legislation that could effect our common interest.

Letters should be polite and logical, and where possible should demonstrate a quantifiable negative posed by the introduction of such legislation.

This present legislation that we are discussing is UK legislation.

If somebody in the UK can provide the name, title and address of the responsible politician, I propose that we do our best to bury this person in mail.

17th December 2007, 06:04 AM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,816	What a STUPID idea!! At least in this country (New Zealand), sanity still prevails!!! If you are a POM you had better get used to no kitchen knives---they will be next!! This spanks of the reaction a few years ago re firearms in the UK.

17th December 2007, 09:32 AM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,930	2008 YEAR OF THE AXE The axe man cometh. The sign of the axe . A ban on those nasty cheap swords, I wipeth the spears from mine eyes.

18th December 2007, 04:22 AM	#11
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,816	POLITICIANS and ARMS LAWS These two words should NEVER be used together. Just to add to what I have already said about this subject in relation to our own laws in NZ, I would share this little bit which came out of the Canadian attempt to register each and every firearm (gun) in Canada. They required that the MODEL number of the item HAD to be used, and to that end there were thousands of Ruger 10/22 rifles appearing for registration. Unfortunately for the poor sod who was doing the recording, the model number was accidently substituted for the SERIAL number, so noone actually knew who had which rifle!! And just to cap it all of, one overzealous cop DEMANDED that the owner register his WELLA SOLDERING GUN---I kid you not!! So, if you live in the UK, get all those knives (and anything that remotely resembles a knife) ready for registration, and good luck to the STUPID politicians who dream up this crap! Its going to cost someone $$$Millions.

17th December 2007, 05:38 AM	#1
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Well, they join throwing stars in California on the "illegal--hunh???" list. I wonder how cheap is still legal, or how often you have to go to the dojo to be considered a martial artist... I predict a rise in violent crimes perpetrated with claymores and rapiers, myself. F

17th December 2007, 05:42 AM	#2
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	May the gods protect us from the idiot politicians who think any type of weapon is dangerous. It's the stupid people who misuse them that are dangerous, not the knife, sword, throwing star, etc. Of perhaps it's just that politicians who are dangerous to our freedom. My question is: who protects us from the politicians?? Rich S

17th December 2007, 08:40 AM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	those two instances are the only ones i've ever heard about. there are no hordes of unwashed barbarian ronin wandering our streets slicing peasants for the fun of it. they banned guns a few years back, gun crime goes up about 50% of course criminals don't obey the law, guns flood in from eastern europe, machine shops convert non-firing metal replica guns, or make new ones from scratch. there have been a number of highly published shootings of teen agers recently, so the govt. had to do something. they've already banned guns; so they've banned samurai swords in order to appear to have 'done something'. this is a trial to see how much objection they get, they'll then have a precedent for the next ban. they are setting us up for the next round. they've been talking about sharp pointy things and publishing studies by 'eminent' doctors (or is that imminent ) saying there is no need for a knife to have a point and all knives sold should have rounded points. it's not the law yet, but i see it coming. of course we all know knives and swords with rounded points are unable to cause damage didn't they ban pointy bolos in the philippines once? those square tipped bolos couldn't slice anyone then, i guess. my dha is also 'safe' i guess plastic (rounded tip of course) knives and forks are next, followed by making even them illegal. reminds me of the PC ZT principal in a US elementary school who hauled a five year old girl into his office and screamed and yelled at her for breaking the rule that scissors could not be brought into the school. the scissors were plastic (rounded points again) and had been handed out by the school for arts and crafts class. the girl was so scared she wee'd on the floor so the principal called the police and had her arrested for assault. great example to our youth. they have not figured out that the tool is not the weapon, it's the mind behind it.

17th December 2007, 10:43 AM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	ah, but axes are covered by the existing 'offensive weapons' laws, which cover anything with a point or blade or any other tool or device which can be reasonably expected to be able to cause harm to a person. they cannot be carried off your property without a valid reason, such as martial arts or an arms show, but it's the police & crown prosecutors who decide on the validity, not you. if the police suspect that prohibited items under the act are in your possession, they may apply for a warrant to search your premises and seize any weapons and any others found in the pursuit of the warrant, but not directly mentioned therein, and a judge may issue an instruction to have them destroyed (even if you are found innocent) 'taking in to account the value thereof and it's impact on the accused' (?). as there is no such thing as a 'defensive' weapon, even if you ARE on your property, using one for defence is considered as use of an offensive weapon with the intent to cause greavous bodily harm & can result in prosecution. here's a decent linky on UK knife law: at British Knife Collecters Guild a recent case involved a man burgled and attacked in his own home who picked up a steak knife & wounded the poor club wealding perpetrator, who said he was just trying to get away, the homeowner was prosecuted for assault with an offensive weapon and greavous bodily harm. the burglar testified for the crown & was given immunity. what a world, what a world.....

17th December 2007, 11:12 AM	#8
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	You Brits can't be trusted with anything dangerous. Those forks with their sharp tines are surely deadly weapons. Soon only broad wooden spoons will be allowed. Then they'll be used to beat each other over the head. May the gods save us from arsine politicians. Rich

17th December 2007, 11:22 PM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,378	Are you organising a resistance movement ? Please do .

18th December 2007, 04:43 AM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,120	I live in the state of New South Wales, in Australia. In early 2004, as a requirement under the Act, the NSW government initiated a review of the Weapons Prohibition Act. The then Minister for Police made public his intention of ensuring that one of the results of the review of this Act would be restrictions on the ownership of swords. His prime concern at the time appeared to be "samurai swords". This review has not yet been completed. I have been advised by a member of the reviewing body that the completion and release for public comment of the review, and its recommendations, is imminent. When the results of this review are available I will ensure that all members of this forum are made aware of the content of the report and recommendations. It is absolutely pointless to get emotional about these bans that are spreading across the world like a plague. This is a political matter, and the only way in which to effectively combat it is by political and legal means.If any of us wish to oppose these bans, this opposition must be mounted in a way that politicians may take note of, however, the problem here is that we are a very small minority group, and simply are not able to pose any significant threat to any political agenda. Because of our limited numbers, perhaps the only way in which we might be able to impact upon these ill thought out political actions is to act in concert. In other words every single one of us, right across the world, should write to the relevant politician in whatever country, each time the government of a country proposes introduction of legislation that could effect our common interest. Letters should be polite and logical, and where possible should demonstrate a quantifiable negative posed by the introduction of such legislation. This present legislation that we are discussing is UK legislation. If somebody in the UK can provide the name, title and address of the responsible politician, I propose that we do our best to bury this person in mail.