Nice old Ilocano knife

Rick · 16th March 2005, 08:51 PM

Hi Ian ,

Do you think this is pre WW2 or later ; agreed it's nice work !

Here is a Spanish dagger which I suspect to be Philippine from observing the symbols on the blade . Other than the symbols I wouldn't know where to place it .

Perhaps you or Marc could comment .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...516009702&rd=1

LabanTayo · 16th March 2005, 10:42 PM

rick,
looks Katipunan. Philippines.
Maybe the other Philippine weapons guys could chime in.

Rick · 16th March 2005, 10:54 PM

Hi Shelley ,
Other than the symbols that both you and I take for Katipunan this dagger looks very un-Philippine .
The castings on the scabbard throat really threw me off ; perhaps it is not original to the dagger ; though as I said before the dagger hilt form is for me confusing .

Battara · 16th March 2005, 10:57 PM

Looks more Spanish in origin. Perhaps one got it in trade or bought it and placed the Katipunan symbol on it. I will bring a Katipunan piece to Baltimore.

Rick · 16th March 2005, 11:01 PM

I'll miss seeing you and the rest of the gang there Jose .

Marc · 16th March 2005, 11:54 PM

I don't see anything particularly Spanish on it, to be sincere. I would also have said Katipunan.
On the other hand, knives tend to lend themselves to a really great deal of variety (steak knives of the world, anyone?), so general shape only take me so far, and I have to say I'm relying on the symbol for the katipunan attribution. The shape is more European than Philippino, sure, but not particularly Spanish, at least as far as I can say.
Katipunan regalia tend to favour europeized shapes, though, at least regarding daggers. Could we have a specific typology, here? This is a bit out of my field, wish I could contribute more...

Battara · 17th March 2005, 12:11 AM

Part of the problem is that the Katipunan groups used whatever they could get their hands on, like, old European blades, locally made ones, etc. Different motifs were used and even types of hilts depending upon the time period, say I think fist hilts going back to the 1870s for example. Only on later Katipunan pieces did the triangle and face of the sun find usage since it became the official symbol of the PI government under Aguinaldo from 1898-1901.

After Baltimore, I may post pictures of the Katipunan pieces (or one of them) I have. The one I will post is Ilokano.

17th March 2005, 12:11 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Part of the problem is that the Katipunan groups used whatever they could get their hands on, like, old European blades, locally made ones, etc. Different motifs were used and even types of hilts depending upon the time period, say I think fist hilts going back to the 1870s for example. Only on later Katipunan pieces did the triangle and face of the sun find usage since it became the official symbol of the PI government under Aguinaldo from 1898-1901. After Baltimore, I may post pictures of the Katipunan pieces (or one of them) I have. The one I will post is Ilokano. Last edited by Battara; 17th March 2005 at 12:21 AM.

16th March 2005, 08:51 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Hi Ian , Do you think this is pre WW2 or later ; agreed it's nice work ! Here is a Spanish dagger which I suspect to be Philippine from observing the symbols on the blade . Other than the symbols I wouldn't know where to place it . Perhaps you or Marc could comment . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...516009702&rd=1

16th March 2005, 10:42 PM	#2
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	rick, looks Katipunan. Philippines. Maybe the other Philippine weapons guys could chime in.

16th March 2005, 10:54 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Hi Shelley , Other than the symbols that both you and I take for Katipunan this dagger looks very un-Philippine . The castings on the scabbard throat really threw me off ; perhaps it is not original to the dagger ; though as I said before the dagger hilt form is for me confusing .

16th March 2005, 10:57 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Looks more Spanish in origin. Perhaps one got it in trade or bought it and placed the Katipunan symbol on it. I will bring a Katipunan piece to Baltimore.

16th March 2005, 11:01 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	I'll miss seeing you and the rest of the gang there Jose .

16th March 2005, 11:54 PM	#6
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	I don't see anything particularly Spanish on it, to be sincere. I would also have said Katipunan. On the other hand, knives tend to lend themselves to a really great deal of variety (steak knives of the world, anyone?), so general shape only take me so far, and I have to say I'm relying on the symbol for the katipunan attribution. The shape is more European than Philippino, sure, but not particularly Spanish, at least as far as I can say. Katipunan regalia tend to favour europeized shapes, though, at least regarding daggers. Could we have a specific typology, here? This is a bit out of my field, wish I could contribute more...