Tugra on Yataghan

Battara · 1st November 2007, 01:21 AM

AH....Mahmud "the Reformer".......

Had a yat from that time period once......(may still have a coin from then too)..

rand · 2nd November 2007, 03:37 AM

Hey Battara,

What am wanting to determine is if the style of Tughra on the abobe yataghan is a commmen type used or uncommen.

What I think of as a stylized tughra is very commen on yataghan's, have an attached example of the type I think of as a stylized tughra.

It translates to "Amal-e Ibrahim Bashi
Saheb Mostafa"

rand

eftihis · 2nd November 2007, 11:00 AM

Hallo Rand, have a look at this old thread,
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...+hilt+yataghan
There is a nice gold tugra on the last yataghan.
Regards, EFtihis

rand · 2nd November 2007, 05:03 PM

Thanks Eftihis,

That was exactly the type of information I am looking for. Any thoughts on what the meaning of a Tughra on a blade is? Is it simply a style of design or would it imply something?

rand

eftihis · 3rd November 2007, 09:25 AM

Hallo Rand, regarding the last yataghan on the previous thread, the tugra reads: "Mohamed Ali" which was the ruler of Egypt during the time of Greek revolution (1821-30). He sent his army in Greece to help the Sultan against the revolution. The yataghan was found in Greece, so obviously belonged to an officer of his army.

Zifir · 6th November 2007, 12:51 AM

Just a quick thought on inscription. What does "falae" mean? I looked through dictionaries and could not find it. Could that be "kalfa" meaning "assistant master in a workshop."

rand · 6th November 2007, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir

Just a quick thought on inscription. What does "falae" mean? I looked through dictionaries and could not find it. Could that be "kalfa" meaning "assistant master in a workshop."

Hello Zefir,

Manouchehr who did the translation reads Farsi, it could well be as you suggest. Do you have an opinion about when this style of tugra is on a sword? I rather like you translation..... Another piece of the puzzle.

Would you please look at the inscription on the Early Islamic Sword thread, its on a very early Mamluk/Ottoman sword with two inscriptions.

Thank you Zefir,

rand

2nd November 2007, 03:37 AM	#2
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Tughra Hey Battara, What am wanting to determine is if the style of Tughra on the abobe yataghan is a commmen type used or uncommen. What I think of as a stylized tughra is very commen on yataghan's, have an attached example of the type I think of as a stylized tughra. It translates to "Amal-e Ibrahim Bashi Saheb Mostafa" rand Attached Images

2nd November 2007, 05:03 PM	#4
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Tughra Thanks Eftihis, That was exactly the type of information I am looking for. Any thoughts on what the meaning of a Tughra on a blade is? Is it simply a style of design or would it imply something? rand

1st November 2007, 01:21 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	AH....Mahmud "the Reformer"....... Had a yat from that time period once......(may still have a coin from then too)..

2nd November 2007, 11:00 AM	#3
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Hallo Rand, have a look at this old thread, http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...+hilt+yataghan There is a nice gold tugra on the last yataghan. Regards, EFtihis

3rd November 2007, 09:25 AM	#5
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Hallo Rand, regarding the last yataghan on the previous thread, the tugra reads: "Mohamed Ali" which was the ruler of Egypt during the time of Greek revolution (1821-30). He sent his army in Greece to help the Sultan against the revolution. The yataghan was found in Greece, so obviously belonged to an officer of his army.

6th November 2007, 12:51 AM	#6
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Just a quick thought on inscription. What does "falae" mean? I looked through dictionaries and could not find it. Could that be "kalfa" meaning "assistant master in a workshop."