Bambang Harsrinuksmo

[Marcokeris]

Thanks Ganja.
I never met mr. Harsrinuksmo and now you give me the confirm he was an extraordinary person. Thanks a lot again

[John]

Thanks for sharing Ganja. I had the privilege of an email exchange with the Bambang shortly before his passing and I like the man, a gentleman.

[ganjawulung]

Dear Marco, John, and All,

About one or two year before he died, Bambang Harsrinuksmo also had a "brilliant idea" of issuing certificate of keris. (This is one example of his certification, please look at this pics): http://www.heritageofjava.com/keris/sertifikat_01.html

Maybe this is the only one "commercial side" in the life of Bambang. But Bambang -- in my opinion -- tried to be objective in certificating kerises. And like as if certificate of "graduation" in schools, it has "identity photo" of the keris itself...

Unfortunately, this certification had stopped as he passed away in 2003.

Ganjawulung

[David]

Sorry, i see nothing "brilliant" about a keris certificate. Opinions on keris are so subjective at times. One "experts" opinion can sometimes vary greatly from another. I find the certificates issued to be fairly useless except as a selling ploy to the uneducated. No matter how "objective" you believe Bambang was in this process it was still only an opinion.

[Raden Usman Djogja]

Originally Posted by David

Sorry, i see nothing "brilliant" about a keris certificate. Opinions on keris are so subjective at times. One "experts" opinion can sometimes vary greatly from another. I find the certificates issued to be fairly useless except as a selling ploy to the uneducated. No matter how "objective" you believe Bambang was in this process it was still only an opinion.

Yes David, it is useless if we stay in themodern finacial market which most of aspects protected by system and law. However, in the keris world, sometiems people must deal with low moral traders.

For instance, in my hometown, when I pretended as a debutant in Keris (actaully I am still a debutant till the end of the day ), the trader told me that he was a member of a prominent keris club in my town. Moreover, his keris has been evaluated by his colleagues and classified as a high quality treasure. Then, as expected, finally he opened the price which almost higher than the sky As I remembered, I hd not ever met him in the club.

So, by written analysis, low moral traders will think twice whenever they want to claim that theirs have been evaluated by Mr. so and so.

Most probably, most of keris lovers here have ever faced a bad experience called as "KEBLONDROK", havent they?


warm regards,

Usmen

[Raden Usman Djogja]

David,

I am sorry not translating "keblondrok" in English. I dont know the proper translation of it. Keblondrok is the situation that somebody pay much more effort than he should. Oh.. no.. no.. I dont know how to express keblondrok. It is a funy word.

warm salam,
Usmen

[David]

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

David,

I am sorry not translating "keblondrok" in English. I dont know the proper translation of it. Keblondrok is the situation that somebody pay much more effort than he should. Oh.. no.. no.. I dont know how to express keblondrok. It is a funy word.

warm salam,
Usmen

Thanks for the effort Usmen. I think i get what you mean.
But it also seems to me that once someone has gotten a hold of a genuine certificate it would be very easily counterfeited. Even if experienced keris collectors could tell the difference the beginner would still be easily fooled by the fake piece of paper. The experienced keris collector shouldn't need the paper to judge the quality of the keris, his experience should tell him. And as i already pointed out, even when the certificate is genuine it is still only one persons opinion as to tangguh and quality. Even if that person is well respected they could still be wrong in their evaluation. This paper has no real definitive value. When dealing with a "low moral trader" one must simply look at the keris in question, not the seller or any document he claims to hold about the keris. If you don't know enough about keris to be able to judge if the one presented to you is worth the asking price how would you be educated enough to know if the certificate presented with it is real or not. Sorry, It seems to me that keris certificates only open up the keris world to even more means of deception than already exists.