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Old 21st October 2007, 08:01 AM   #1
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You made a mistake, the sword is not from the collection of Beijens.
Its indeed collected by the missionares ,also the curator assured me and the tag proves that it comes from the collection of Tilburg.see also the pic of the tag.
I don't want to speculate , the reader may decide what to believe but sometimes stories also are important and belongs to the facts of a certain object.
Arjan you wrote here that it was collected by an missionaris

Show me the line in that little book where it thells you that this piece was collected by an missionaris .

Would be nice to see it thanks for the pic off the book .

And I never say it is not from the Tiburg museum .

It was not collected by an missionaris that is what I say I found no proof of that it was collected by one off them .

And you did not show me yet it was collected by an missionaris .

And fer did not get everything just ask him there is just a little that he did get .


In 1931 nam de gemeente deel aan de oprichting van een Volkenkundig museum en een Natuurhistorisch museum. Burgemeester en wethouders deelden de gemeenteraad toen mede dat ´noch voor een algemeen oudheidkundig museum, noch voor een textielmuseum met annex oudheidkamer, noch voor een museum van moderne Noordbrabantsche schilderkunst zoodanige vooruitzichten aanwezig (werden) geacht, dat reeds op korte termijn een belangrijk project zou kunnen verwezenlijkt worden.´(12) Op de zolder van het op 27 april 1936 in gebruik genomen ´Nederlandsch Volkenkundig Missiemuseum´ aan de Paleisstraat, werd de door aankoop en vooral door schenking steeds uitgebreide ´verzameling van oude voorwerpen en schilderijen´ opgeslagen in afwachting van het historisch museum. In hetzelfde gebouw was sinds 1935 ook het Natuurhistorisch Museum gehuisvest. In 1954 werd de kleine verzameling overgebracht naar de tweede etage van de afdeling bevolking van de gemeente aan de Markt. In de loop der jaren is de collectie stukje bij beetje toevertrouwd aan de gemeentearchivaris, onder wiens hoede deze nog steeds berust. Alleen de objecten op textielgebied zijn in de jaren vijftig en later overgebracht naar het Nederlands Textielmuseum.


it is overhere that they tell that they get a lot off gifts and some one from the city make s note s from what is coming in by gifts .

Is there an name in the litle book that would be explain a lot because it don t have to be written by an missionaris .

Would be nice to now it .

And If you go next week we can met there just email me when you there .
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Ben

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Arjan you wrote here that it was collected by an missionaris

Show me the line in that little book where it thells you that this piece was collected by an missionaris .

Would be nice to see it thanks for the pic off the book .

And I never say it is not from the Tiburg museum .

It was not collected by an missionaris that is what I say I found no proof of that it was collected by one off them .

And you did not show me yet it was collected by an missionaris .

And fer did not get everything just ask him there is just a little that he did get .


In 1931 nam de gemeente deel aan de oprichting van een Volkenkundig museum en een Natuurhistorisch museum. Burgemeester en wethouders deelden de gemeenteraad toen mede dat ´noch voor een algemeen oudheidkundig museum, noch voor een textielmuseum met annex oudheidkamer, noch voor een museum van moderne Noordbrabantsche schilderkunst zoodanige vooruitzichten aanwezig (werden) geacht, dat reeds op korte termijn een belangrijk project zou kunnen verwezenlijkt worden.´(12) Op de zolder van het op 27 april 1936 in gebruik genomen ´Nederlandsch Volkenkundig Missiemuseum´ aan de Paleisstraat, werd de door aankoop en vooral door schenking steeds uitgebreide ´verzameling van oude voorwerpen en schilderijen´ opgeslagen in afwachting van het historisch museum. In hetzelfde gebouw was sinds 1935 ook het Natuurhistorisch Museum gehuisvest. In 1954 werd de kleine verzameling overgebracht naar de tweede etage van de afdeling bevolking van de gemeente aan de Markt. In de loop der jaren is de collectie stukje bij beetje toevertrouwd aan de gemeentearchivaris, onder wiens hoede deze nog steeds berust. Alleen de objecten op textielgebied zijn in de jaren vijftig en later overgebracht naar het Nederlands Textielmuseum.


it is overhere that they tell that they get a lot off gifts and some one from the city make s note s from what is coming in by gifts .

Is there an name in the litle book that would be explain a lot because it don t have to be written by an missionaris .

Would be nice to now it .

And If you go next week we can met there just email me when you there .
regards
Ben
Hi Ben,

However I still think its collected by the missionaries , indeed it's possible that someone else brougth it in.Maybe I was indeed to early with my conclusion.But that doesn't take away that the description from the sword is that good and someone must have mentioned that (when the sword cames in probably.) Indeed there no evidence that the booklet is written by a missionary, but that's also no very important.
The book shows clearly to be a kind of intake booklet from the Tilburg collection. Strange however that we don't know the writer.I'm very glad that you have listed the info above.I will surely go to Tilburg now and see what I can find there. Also the fact that my boss and I have agreed to split up give me the opotunity to invest more time in it in the future...

Its remarkable that so many descriptions of museum collections are bad , incomplete or get lost.It takes sadly enourmous lots of time to dig up the info we want.I'm also afraid that in the case of Nijmegen the time is 23.59 course maybe the collection will be split up in 2010.And seen to the fact that every movement of collection stuff and info get lost I think we are right on time here. (the archive study will take a lot of time).

Hi Ben I will surely contact you when I will go there...

regards,

Arjan.
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Old 21st October 2007, 08:01 PM   #3
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Oke Arjan that sounds great .

Did you also noticed that we have more knowledge about the Indonesian weapons than the conservator himself .

The best would be for this collection when it do get to an museum who don t put it in an depot but would be show it to the people .

I am working on that subject and will try to see if Nijmegen
have an idee by put it in the right place , I think I have one for them but still working on it .

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