Jalak Budo

drdavid · 18th October 2007, 12:12 PM

Thank you Ganjawulung for showing these, they are most interesting. What period/age do you think these are from
DrD

David · 18th October 2007, 02:43 PM

Thanks for showing the others Ganja. I believe we have seen the first one before, which is my favorite among the ones you show.
I will argue however that even with quotations around it that a wedung should not in any way be considered to be a special model of "keris".

lemmythesmith · 18th October 2007, 09:29 PM

Hi Ganja, thank you for posting these-very nice pieces!! I've just acquired some iron from Germany which ranges from 500-750 years old so it should be ideal for a jalak budo recreation, (along with the 'ol "sky iron") I understand these blades are not as long as later keris but are thicker and wider-can you supply some measurements?

ganjawulung · 19th October 2007, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lemmythesmith

Hi Ganja, thank you for posting these-very nice pieces!! I've just acquired some iron from Germany which ranges from 500-750 years old so it should be ideal for a jalak budo recreation, (along with the 'ol "sky iron") I understand these blades are not as long as later keris but are thicker and wider-can you supply some measurements?

Dear Lemmy,
The first one -- the best of mine I think -- is only 11 inches (27,5 cm) long including the pesi. Without the pesi (including ganja and methuk), is only 9 inches.
The second one is bigger and wider but not thicker. It is 12,2 inches long (or 10 inches the blade and ganja not including the pesi) or total 30,5 cm long. And the third, as big as the first 11,5 inches.
The wedung? It has a normal size of such kind, it has 13 inches or 31 cm long...

Ganjawulung

VVV · 19th October 2007, 08:12 AM

Thanks for sharing those Keris Pak Ganja!

I have heard about a metaphysical difference of "regular" Keris and the Jalak Budo. Could someone please share some more info on this aspect?

Here is a resembling Malay Keris that I suspect is inspired by your Keris - the Debek?
It doesn't have a methuk however.

Michael

mohd · 20th October 2007, 02:12 AM

Ganjawulung

I am interested to know more about Wedung. Would you please let us know about the exact area of origin of Wedung. Is it originated from East, Middle or West java? I know that it might be quite hard to know the exact area of origin, anyhow maybe you could just come out with the most possible one.

Mohd.

ganjawulung · 20th October 2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mohd

Ganjawulung

I am interested to know more about Wedung. Would you please let us know about the exact area of origin of Wedung. Is it originated from East, Middle or West java? I know that it might be quite hard to know the exact area of origin, anyhow maybe you could just come out with the most possible one.

Mohd.

Dear Moh,
I am not sure about the exact origin of Wedung. But from the form of the blade, it seems that it had Middle-East influence. But 'localized', javanised with kind of "greneng" in the lower part of the blade, and long-massive "methuk" above the short pesi...

Wedung usually used in the formal javanese dress-uniform by a "woman bupati" or woman regent in (Central) Java (in the past), or high rank person (prince). And it has a very specific scabbard, with long buffalo-horn peg (pls look at my previous picture)...

Ganjawulung

ganjawulung · 20th October 2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV

Thanks for sharing those Keris Pak Ganja!

I have heard about a metaphysical difference of "regular" Keris and the Jalak Budo. Could someone please share some more info on this aspect?

Here is a resembling Malay Keris that I suspect is inspired by your Keris - the Debek?
It doesn't have a methuk however.

Michael

Beautiful Malay Keris, Michael. And the pamor, we call it the type of "pamor dwi warna" or two kinds of pamor. Upper blade with "lar gangsir" (mole cricket's wing) pamor and it has a special "batu lapak" (flagstone?) pamor in the lower part (sor-soran) of the keris.

Its dapur is also good-looking. And it has ressemblance of dhapur "ron teki" in Javanese term. (long gandhik or front lower part of keris) with sekar kacang above the gandhik. But usually, ron teki has no greneng or ron dha in the wadidang. There is javanese influence in the making method of lar gangsir pamor.

On Jalak Budo. Most javanese keris people believe that jalak budo is one of the oldest dhapur of keris. Budo itself doesn't mean as Budhha. But it indicates a period in the past -- say it -- around 6-10th century. There is a kind of sense of uncertainty in the word of "budo" or "buda". Maybe you may "translate" it as "very old" or "once upon a time"... Or "antah berantah" in the Malay term.

Most javanese keris people also believe, that old jalak budo could be used as "keris tindih" (I have written about "keris tindih" in another thread), to neutralize the bad influence of other keris. But keris tindih is not only Jalak Budo. Old keris with dhapur betok, also could be used as keris tindih...

Ganjawulung

ganjawulung · 19th October 2007, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Thanks for showing the others Ganja. I believe we have seen the first one before, which is my favorite among the ones you show.
I will argue however that even with quotations around it that a wedung should not in any way be considered to be a special model of "keris".

Yes David,
The first one I've shown once or twice before. On wedung, yes, may be it is not considered to be a special model of "keris". But it got much appreciation as pusaka too. Even it got better appreciation than tombak in javanese "perkerisan" (keris world). You may see from the picture which quoted from Raffles' book, The History of Java... (The picture below)

Among the young keris maker in Solo, it is regarded as an "obligatory" exercise (with quotation, on daily conversation only), for a keris maker. It looks simple, but not as simple as the appearance: not easy to make a good wedung.

Ganjawulung

ganjawulung · 19th October 2007, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by drdavid

Thank you Ganjawulung for showing these, they are most interesting. What period/age do you think these are from
DrD

Dear Doctor,
This is the most difficult question to answer, doctor. Because we must argue while handling the blade... The first jalak budo, some of my friends speculated it came from Singasari era (13th century). Once again, this is only speculation on tangguh. Debatable.

The second is supposed from the younger period. And the third, still dubious whether it is a real old Jalak Budo or not. But quite sure, the material is old enough...

Ganjawulung

19th October 2007, 08:12 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks for sharing those Keris Pak Ganja! I have heard about a metaphysical difference of "regular" Keris and the Jalak Budo. Could someone please share some more info on this aspect? Here is a resembling Malay Keris that I suspect is inspired by your Keris - the Debek? It doesn't have a methuk however. Michael Attached Images

18th October 2007, 12:12 PM	#1
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Thank you Ganjawulung for showing these, they are most interesting. What period/age do you think these are from DrD

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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Thanks for showing the others Ganja. I believe we have seen the first one before, which is my favorite among the ones you show. I will argue however that even with quotations around it that a wedung should not in any way be considered to be a special model of "keris".

18th October 2007, 09:29 PM	#3
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi Ganja, thank you for posting these-very nice pieces!! I've just acquired some iron from Germany which ranges from 500-750 years old so it should be ideal for a jalak budo recreation, (along with the 'ol "sky iron") I understand these blades are not as long as later keris but are thicker and wider-can you supply some measurements?

20th October 2007, 02:12 AM	#6
mohd Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 41	Ganjawulung I am interested to know more about Wedung. Would you please let us know about the exact area of origin of Wedung. Is it originated from East, Middle or West java? I know that it might be quite hard to know the exact area of origin, anyhow maybe you could just come out with the most possible one. Mohd.