Between Solo and Yogya

cahaya · 20th September 2007, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

dear friends,

what kind of pamor do you think?
is it jogja or solo?

regards,
Usmen

Hallo Mr. Usmen

can you sent pic close up/fokus at the pamor?
and like Bapak Allan to can we see "pawakan"/full pic tombak?

That is garap PB Mataram Surokarto?? (in my opinion for now)

thanks for sharing your pusoko

Raden Usman Djogja · 20th September 2007, 03:16 PM

dear Cahaya,

I have opened new thread T.O.M.B.A.K
Would you please to see there for additional images.

warm salam,
Usmen

A. G. Maisey · 20th September 2007, 11:48 PM

Pak Usmen, I tend to disagree with you that collectors outside of Indonesia are the ones who have driven keris prices up.

I have a very close friend in Solo who is possibly one of, if not the biggest wholesaler of quality wesi aji. The prices that he gets at a level where he is selling to other salesmen, are far in advance of anything that I could imagine collectors in the western world being willing to pay.

Truly top quality old keris achieve the best prices in Indonesia, not in New York, Paris, and London.

The generally held belief amongst the people I know is that the primary force in driving up prices on old top quality wesi aji was the rampant corruption in Indonesia that accelerated from the mid-1970's. I do not want to discuss this in public.

Incidentally, as Rick has pointed out, I hold no authority in this discussion group. For permission to commence a thread on a subject other than keris, the correct people to approach are Rick and David.

David · 21st September 2007, 03:15 AM

It has always been the intention that this forum would be open to the discussion of tombak as well as keris. Therefore no permission is necessary for anyone to open a thread about tombak.

A. G. Maisey · 21st September 2007, 03:21 AM

Thanks for your clarification, David.

I did not know that---or if I once did know it, I'd forgotten.

Where is the dividing line?

Do pedang fall outside the basket?

Wedung?

David · 21st September 2007, 01:29 PM

hmmm, good question. I had thought Rick laid it out in the opening posts, but going back i see he did not. I know we spoke privately about tombaks being topical to this forum, but i will defer to Rick on where, exactly, the line should be drawn on other weapons.

Rick · 21st September 2007, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

hmmm, good question. I had thought Rick laid it out in the opening posts, but going back i see he did not. I know we spoke privately about tombaks being topical to this forum, but i will defer to Rick on where, exactly, the line should be drawn on other weapons.

Tombaks are on topic here.
I thought that had been laid out too.

Oh well, I'm certainly no pinnacle of perfection my friends .

The inclusion of other items would tend to distract from our purpose here; plus we'd become just another ethnographic forum .

20th September 2007, 03:16 PM	#2
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	dear Cahaya, I have opened new thread T.O.M.B.A.K Would you please to see there for additional images. warm salam, Usmen

20th September 2007, 11:48 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Pak Usmen, I tend to disagree with you that collectors outside of Indonesia are the ones who have driven keris prices up. I have a very close friend in Solo who is possibly one of, if not the biggest wholesaler of quality wesi aji. The prices that he gets at a level where he is selling to other salesmen, are far in advance of anything that I could imagine collectors in the western world being willing to pay. Truly top quality old keris achieve the best prices in Indonesia, not in New York, Paris, and London. The generally held belief amongst the people I know is that the primary force in driving up prices on old top quality wesi aji was the rampant corruption in Indonesia that accelerated from the mid-1970's. I do not want to discuss this in public. Incidentally, as Rick has pointed out, I hold no authority in this discussion group. For permission to commence a thread on a subject other than keris, the correct people to approach are Rick and David.

21st September 2007, 03:15 AM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	It has always been the intention that this forum would be open to the discussion of tombak as well as keris. Therefore no permission is necessary for anyone to open a thread about tombak.

21st September 2007, 03:21 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Thanks for your clarification, David. I did not know that---or if I once did know it, I'd forgotten. Where is the dividing line? Do pedang fall outside the basket? Wedung?

21st September 2007, 01:29 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	hmmm, good question. I had thought Rick laid it out in the opening posts, but going back i see he did not. I know we spoke privately about tombaks being topical to this forum, but i will defer to Rick on where, exactly, the line should be drawn on other weapons.