Club from the Philippines

VVV · 28th August 2007, 09:25 PM

Is it related to this tribe?

http://www.pekiti-tirsia.net/200406_..._Noheadgear_de

Michael

VANDOO · 29th August 2007, 01:00 AM

A VERY INTERESTING CLUB, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PHILIPPINE CLUBS BUT AM SURE THEY WERE USED AT SOME TIME IN THE PAST. THE MARTIAL ART OF STICK FIGHTING IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL AS CAN BE SEEN BY THE LINK. I HAVE SEEN A TREE THAT HAS SPIKES LIKE THESE BUT DON'T KNOW THE NAME OR COUNTRYS OF ORIGIN, SOME OF THE SPIKES ON THE TRUNK CAN BE QUITE LARGE AND CLIMBING SUCH A TREE UNTHINKABLE.

WHAT INFORMATION DO YOU HAVE ON IT AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER CLUBS FROM THE PHILIPPINES.

josh stout · 29th August 2007, 01:20 AM

I am pretty sure the club is made from some sort of rattan. Young rattan has spikes that look almost exactly like those on the club.
Josh

edit:
OK maybe not as the broken bit does not look like rattan at all. Still, as mentioned, it has a very familiar look.

CourseEight · 29th August 2007, 02:03 AM

It's the wrong part of the world, but the spikes look like that of a Floss Silk tree:

http://pizzabytheslice.com/photos/im..._thorns_15.jpg

http://mgonline.com/chorisia.html

I've a few around my house and the resemblence seems close. Unfortunately they are tropical from South America. Maybe a relative of some kind lives in the Philippines? That is of course unless the spikes are carved, then it's just a coincidence...

--Radleigh

Nonoy Tan · 29th August 2007, 11:33 AM

There is reference to clubs being used in the Philippines ("The collection of primitive weapons and armor of the Philippine islands in the United States National museum" by Herbert Krieger 1926). However, there is no image of a club therein; and I found no club amongst the specimens kept at the Smithsonian Institution. Thus, information has been elusive.

Here is a close-up pic
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Tim Simmons · 29th August 2007, 05:36 PM

Perhaps it is from South America. It must be the first piece I have seen on this forum not including colonists work. It would not get a patina like that without use. What size is it? Some "Oceanic" clubs are sometimes fish clubs or priest, for bigger fish than trout or salmon. I believe the club is/was the main weapon of Brazilian native people? I did see an old metal tipped spear, 18th century, in a special exhibition at BM a few years ago. Wish I had bought the catalogue now. Trade steel obviously. I had no idea of the sophistcation of the native cities in the Amazon basin.

fearn · 29th August 2007, 06:25 PM

Hi All,

As a botanist, I'm pretty that the spikes are natural, and I'm pretty sure it's not from the silk floss tree. There's a simple reason for this: silk floss wood is quite light. I've picked up a trunk that was two meters long and 10 cm wide, and it only weighed a kilo or two. While the spikes on silk trunks are impressive, the wood behind them isn't.

Now, I'm not sure what plant it's from, but my first guess was rattan as well. A cross-sectional view of the butt end might help, as it will show whether the club was made from a palm or a broadleaf tree.

F

29th August 2007, 11:33 AM	#5
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	There is reference to clubs being used in the Philippines ("The collection of primitive weapons and armor of the Philippine islands in the United States National museum" by Herbert Krieger 1926). However, there is no image of a club therein; and I found no club amongst the specimens kept at the Smithsonian Institution. Thus, information has been elusive. Here is a close-up pic [IMG] Attached Images

28th August 2007, 09:25 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Is it related to this tribe? http://www.pekiti-tirsia.net/200406_..._Noheadgear_de Michael

29th August 2007, 01:00 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY INTERESTING CLUB, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PHILIPPINE CLUBS BUT AM SURE THEY WERE USED AT SOME TIME IN THE PAST. THE MARTIAL ART OF STICK FIGHTING IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL AS CAN BE SEEN BY THE LINK. I HAVE SEEN A TREE THAT HAS SPIKES LIKE THESE BUT DON'T KNOW THE NAME OR COUNTRYS OF ORIGIN, SOME OF THE SPIKES ON THE TRUNK CAN BE QUITE LARGE AND CLIMBING SUCH A TREE UNTHINKABLE. WHAT INFORMATION DO YOU HAVE ON IT AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER CLUBS FROM THE PHILIPPINES.

29th August 2007, 01:20 AM	#3
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	I am pretty sure the club is made from some sort of rattan. Young rattan has spikes that look almost exactly like those on the club. Josh edit: OK maybe not as the broken bit does not look like rattan at all. Still, as mentioned, it has a very familiar look.

29th August 2007, 02:03 AM	#4
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	It's the wrong part of the world, but the spikes look like that of a Floss Silk tree: http://pizzabytheslice.com/photos/im..._thorns_15.jpg http://mgonline.com/chorisia.html I've a few around my house and the resemblence seems close. Unfortunately they are tropical from South America. Maybe a relative of some kind lives in the Philippines? That is of course unless the spikes are carved, then it's just a coincidence... --Radleigh

29th August 2007, 05:36 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Perhaps it is from South America. It must be the first piece I have seen on this forum not including colonists work. It would not get a patina like that without use. What size is it? Some "Oceanic" clubs are sometimes fish clubs or priest, for bigger fish than trout or salmon. I believe the club is/was the main weapon of Brazilian native people? I did see an old metal tipped spear, 18th century, in a special exhibition at BM a few years ago. Wish I had bought the catalogue now. Trade steel obviously. I had no idea of the sophistcation of the native cities in the Amazon basin.

29th August 2007, 06:25 PM	#7
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi All, As a botanist, I'm pretty that the spikes are natural, and I'm pretty sure it's not from the silk floss tree. There's a simple reason for this: silk floss wood is quite light. I've picked up a trunk that was two meters long and 10 cm wide, and it only weighed a kilo or two. While the spikes on silk trunks are impressive, the wood behind them isn't. Now, I'm not sure what plant it's from, but my first guess was rattan as well. A cross-sectional view of the butt end might help, as it will show whether the club was made from a palm or a broadleaf tree. F