RARE BORNEO SWORD IS IT AN PARANG NIABOR ???

[Dajak]

Hi Michael when I am back from my vacation I will post them


Ben

[Mytribalworld]

Hi Ben,

according to what I found it should be a " Ajananpka" parang permaaki made by the grand-grand father from Singkoem. The iron he used he took it from the former Demang from Semitau ( or Semitan) (the handwriting isnt very clear). According to the old dayak are many heads captured with this piece.When it came in to the museum ( and that handwriting is already very old) its was already 100 years old according to the writer.
Its not quite clear who the writer is but we think that its one of the fathers from the former mission museum in Tilburg.
strange enough this is almost the only sword in their collection with such a detailed description.

If the place name is indeed Semitau ( sometimes shortened up with "Smitau")
Its somewhere in the area of the Kapoeas river about 40 kilometers south from the Sarawak border in Dutch Borneo ( de westerafdeeling)
Its very close near the Kantoek and Batang Loepar tribes.

Arjan.

[Dajak]

Hi Arjan I was looking for facts not story s off this sword .
That I did already know.


Ben

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Arjan I was looking for facts not story s off this sword .
That I did already know.


Ben

dear Ben,

thanks for your kind answer but this is a forum so I thought it may be interesting info for other readers also..............

Arjan.

[asomotif]

Ben,

Are you making any progress with your time travel machine

I am living in the year 2007. If the mandau is from before 1800's all we will have are stories or assumptions.

Even if another collector would have an almost identical sword of approximate age his information on that sword would either be stories or assumptions.

[VVV]

Thanks Arjan for sharing this info and thanks Ben for sharing the pictures of this rare parang.
For me there is a big difference of "stories" and notes from when and where it was collected and brought to the museum.
It's a pity that so many interesting collections are hidden in the museum depots and that they don't at least invest in picture databases when they don't have room to exhibit their collections.

Michael

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

dear Ben,

thanks for your kind answer but this is a forum so I thought it may be interesting info for other readers also..............

Arjan.

Speculations and story s that not can be proven are always difficult because some one gets an wrong idee about something .

You forgot to tell that this is from an weapon collector that give s his collection to the museum not the missionares did collect this weapon.
all marked with this label is from his collection .
this is an important note .

Ben

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by Dajak

Speculations and story s that not can be proven are always difficult because some one gets an wrong idee about something .

You forgot to tell that this is from an weapon collector that give s his collection to the museum not the missionares did collect this weapon.
all marked with this label is from his collection .
this is an important note .

Ben

You made a mistake, the sword is not from the collection of Beijens.
Its indeed collected by the missionares ,also the curator assured me and the tag proves that it comes from the collection of Tilburg.see also the pic of the tag.
The collection of Nijmegen is mainly built up by two large collections 1: the collection of Beiijens 2: the collection of the missionaries of Tilburg.In Tilburg there was a missionmuseum that donated their collection to Nijmegen after closing.
I was suprised finding in the museumcollection so many north Borneo swords
like nyabor and pandat etc. but after a short study I found out that they had a mission post in a village near Smitau.They where quite active just south near the border of Sarawak. Also they made travels to Batang Lupar village

I don't want to speculate , the reader may decide what to believe but sometimes stories also are important and belongs to the facts of a certain object.

[Dajak]

I will copy the cart for you Arjan I will be in the depot In 2 weeks again


Ben

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

You made a mistake, the sword is not from the collection of Beijens.
Its indeed collected by the missionares ,also the curator assured me and the tag proves that it comes from the collection of Tilburg.see also the pic of the tag.
.

you telling me I made an mistake I never write it is fom the Beijens collection
read arjan please it would be better for us all



Ben

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

You made a mistake, the sword is not from the collection of Beijens.
Its indeed collected by the missionares ,also the curator assured me and the tag proves that it comes from the collection of Tilburg.see also the pic of the tag.
I don't want to speculate , the reader may decide what to believe but sometimes stories also are important and belongs to the facts of a certain object.

Arjan you wrote here that it was collected by an missionaris

Show me the line in that little book where it thells you that this piece was collected by an missionaris .

Would be nice to see it thanks for the pic off the book .

And I never say it is not from the Tiburg museum .

It was not collected by an missionaris that is what I say I found no proof of that it was collected by one off them .

And you did not show me yet it was collected by an missionaris .

And fer did not get everything just ask him there is just a little that he did get .


In 1931 nam de gemeente deel aan de oprichting van een Volkenkundig museum en een Natuurhistorisch museum. Burgemeester en wethouders deelden de gemeenteraad toen mede dat ´noch voor een algemeen oudheidkundig museum, noch voor een textielmuseum met annex oudheidkamer, noch voor een museum van moderne Noordbrabantsche schilderkunst zoodanige vooruitzichten aanwezig (werden) geacht, dat reeds op korte termijn een belangrijk project zou kunnen verwezenlijkt worden.´(12) Op de zolder van het op 27 april 1936 in gebruik genomen ´Nederlandsch Volkenkundig Missiemuseum´ aan de Paleisstraat, werd de door aankoop en vooral door schenking steeds uitgebreide ´verzameling van oude voorwerpen en schilderijen´ opgeslagen in afwachting van het historisch museum. In hetzelfde gebouw was sinds 1935 ook het Natuurhistorisch Museum gehuisvest. In 1954 werd de kleine verzameling overgebracht naar de tweede etage van de afdeling bevolking van de gemeente aan de Markt. In de loop der jaren is de collectie stukje bij beetje toevertrouwd aan de gemeentearchivaris, onder wiens hoede deze nog steeds berust. Alleen de objecten op textielgebied zijn in de jaren vijftig en later overgebracht naar het Nederlands Textielmuseum.


it is overhere that they tell that they get a lot off gifts and some one from the city make s note s from what is coming in by gifts .

Is there an name in the litle book that would be explain a lot because it don t have to be written by an missionaris .

Would be nice to now it .

And If you go next week we can met there just email me when you there .
regards
Ben