Dramatic pattern weld on Turkish barrel

Jim McDougall · 12th August 2007, 10:49 PM

Thank you posting this beautiful barrel Rand!
The square barrel seems really unusual, is this form indicative of a certain period or weapon form or favored by any particular group? Is there any significance as far as the reason for the square shape?
As you can see I'm ballistically tone deaf

All the best,
Jim

ward · 12th August 2007, 11:24 PM

wealthy people always wanted something unusuall. This particular one is indian early 19th century. I have another one that I have not definatly figured out origin of. I have even seen a square barrell that fired square bullets. These are the only 3 I have ever seen

Jim McDougall · 12th August 2007, 11:40 PM

Thanks Ward! Now a square gun firing a square bullet? Thats really unusual...love to see CSI on a case with that one!!

Best regards,
Jim

rand · 12th August 2007, 11:58 PM

Ward,

The square barrel mughal rifle form the Figiel sale purchased by Bob Hale never left the USA, mostly because of ivory related export problems. Square barreled gun are indeed very scare, and that also has a square bore, thats a rare puppy. Have never seen an Islamic one like that.

There are examples of early European guns that have heart, diamond and club, and spade shaped bores also in a slow twist, just amazing to think about. Reason for shape of bore on those was listed as talismanic.

Great examples of barrels Ward, thanks for posting those. Believe you are right on the mark about people of wealth wanting something different.

rand

ward · 13th August 2007, 12:14 AM

I have a few pieces from Figiel. I will post a few pics of the full rifles when I get a chance

tom hyle · 13th August 2007, 02:39 PM

i'M unsure, but the square one appears to maybe be a faked pattern.

rand · 13th August 2007, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom hyle

i'M unsure, but the square one appears to maybe be a faked pattern.

Hi Tom,

Have to respectfully disagree with you Tom, the etched pattern on the square barrel looks very good. There are also a few similar varients of that pattern, one being from a firearm identified as being from Tibet where the etched pattern weld hints of being a stylized cloud in appearance.

Josh,
Could you post you pic of the Tibetan rifle here?

One thing I would like to hear opinions on is age. Have yet to see a clear chronolgy of miquelet and earlier Islamic firearms. We have distinction for different sttyles of miquelet locks by region. Most miquelets rifle are identified as simply 18th century or circa 1800. The matchlock Turkish musket is even more mysterious, with little information on bore.

rand

12th August 2007, 11:58 PM	#4
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Patteern Weld Barrel Ward, The square barrel mughal rifle form the Figiel sale purchased by Bob Hale never left the USA, mostly because of ivory related export problems. Square barreled gun are indeed very scare, and that also has a square bore, thats a rare puppy. Have never seen an Islamic one like that. There are examples of early European guns that have heart, diamond and club, and spade shaped bores also in a slow twist, just amazing to think about. Reason for shape of bore on those was listed as talismanic. Great examples of barrels Ward, thanks for posting those. Believe you are right on the mark about people of wealth wanting something different. rand

12th August 2007, 10:49 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,284	Thank you posting this beautiful barrel Rand! The square barrel seems really unusual, is this form indicative of a certain period or weapon form or favored by any particular group? Is there any significance as far as the reason for the square shape? As you can see I'm ballistically tone deaf All the best, Jim

12th August 2007, 11:24 PM	#2
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	wealthy people always wanted something unusuall. This particular one is indian early 19th century. I have another one that I have not definatly figured out origin of. I have even seen a square barrell that fired square bullets. These are the only 3 I have ever seen

12th August 2007, 11:40 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,284	Thanks Ward! Now a square gun firing a square bullet? Thats really unusual...love to see CSI on a case with that one!! Best regards, Jim

13th August 2007, 12:14 AM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	I have a few pieces from Figiel. I will post a few pics of the full rifles when I get a chance

13th August 2007, 02:39 PM	#6
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	i'M unsure, but the square one appears to maybe be a faked pattern.