Datu Ivory Kris

VANDOO · 6th August 2007, 08:52 PM

BELEAVE IT OR NOT THERE ARE THOSE OUT THERE WHO DON'T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THE SWORDS SPEARS OR ANYTHING ELSE THEY ARE JUST IN IT FOR THE MONEY. THEY LEARN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN THE BETTER TO SELL AND RUNNING UP THE PRICES TO UNHEARD OF HIGHTS WOULD ONLY BE CONSIDERED AS GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE.
MONEY IS NECESSARY TO HAVE BUT IT IS ONLY PAPER! NO WHERE AS COOL AS EDGED WEAPONS

I REFER TO THOSE WHO ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN WEAPONS TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, DON'T EVEN LIKE THEM AND DON'T COLLECT AS HAVING NO SOUL.

I WOULD SEE A GOOD OLD DAYAK MANDAU TO ADD TO MY COLLECTION, THEY WOULD ONLY SEE THE MONEY THEY WILL MAKE WHEN THEY SELL IT.THEIR COLLECTION IS TO SEE HOW BIG A FIGURE THEY CAN ACHIEVE IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE THEY DIE, FOR AS LITTLE AN INVESTMENT AS POSSIBLE A NOBLE GOAL AND SMART STRADGEY NO DOUBT. BUT I DID NOT START COLLECTING FOR THAT REASON BUT JUST TO LEARN ABOUT AND HAVE SOME INTERESTING THINGS TO COLLECT AND ENJOY, IF I HAPPEN TO MAKE SOME MONEY WHEN I SELL SO MUCH THE BETTER BUT THAT IS NOT THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND MY COLLECTING.
THIS IS NOT A PUT DOWN IT IS JUST MY POINT OF VIEW

THEY JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW. OFTEN THEY ARE DIRVEN A LOT HARDER THAN I AND AQUIRE A LOT MORE KNOWLEGE SO ARE A VALUABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION IF THEY CHOOSE TO SHARE THEIR KNOWLEGE. I KNOW SOME WHO WILL SHARE THEIR KNOWLEGE AND SOME WHO CONSIDER IT A POWER AND WILL TAKE IT TO THEIR GRAVE RATHER THAN SHARE IT WITH THOSE WHO DID NOT DO THE RESEARCH OR TRACK DOWN THE INFORMATION THEMSELVES. JUST ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW BUT OFTEN AN UNFORTUNATE ONE.

Battara · 6th August 2007, 09:19 PM

I would normally (and abnormally

) be interested in this piece but I knew that it would go for ridiculous price. What turned me off was the reconditioned nose. I might have paid a much lower price for a reconditioned nose.......but who knows? (every pun intended

)

rand · 6th August 2007, 09:37 PM

I have sympathy for both the Seller and the under bidders on this item. The Seller lost a sale and his time. The Bidders now have their estimates of value known and possibly tied up access on funds to bid on a different item.

No winners here,

rand

TVV · 6th August 2007, 10:08 PM

Just a few random thoughts regarding this auction. I am really sorry for the seller, as he is stuck with eBay's fee, and as far as I recall it is a percentage of the final price. I guess a good precaution by all sellers would be to explicitly warn in the listing that they would accept no bids from 0 feedback users, no exceptions. However, I do not see what a seller can do about snipers (to which I also belong) other than a second-chance offer after the end of the auction. For an item on eBay to close high, at least two high bidders are needed to drive the price up, one cannot do it by himself/herself. I wish there was a rule that made second chance offers binding on the bidder, but even this would not help make sure that noone could drive prices up, for whatever purpose. It seems however that someone is doing exactly this - registering IDs just to drive a sale really high and ruin it for the seller and the rest of the bidders, in ther meantime driving prices for colelctibles as high as possible, and this phenomenon seems to have started after eBay decided to hide bidders' IDs.
Teodor

Bill M · 6th August 2007, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVV

Just a few random thoughts regarding this auction. I am really sorry for the seller, as he is stuck with eBay's fee, and as far as I recall it is a percentage of the final price. I guess a good precaution by all sellers would be to explicitly warn in the listing that they would accept no bids from 0 feedback users, no exceptions. However, I do not see what a seller can do about snipers (to which I also belong) other than a second-chance offer after the end of the auction. Teodor

I still think this is a twist core. I'd clean and stain it and re-market it. A twist core with ivory is a good thing and has some value, regardless of my nit picking in this thread.

I very much feel bad for the seller. I have bought some very good African pieces from him and been pleased with both the quality and the service. Fast shipping and well-packaged.

He should not get stuck with high eBay fees, but will either have to file an NPB (Non Performing Bidder) strike against the bidder, which I would do, but that might provoke a negative FB from a newbie bidder.

Seller and buyer can also agree not to complete the sale. Either way there would be no eBay fee.

6th August 2007, 08:52 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	BELEAVE IT OR NOT THERE ARE THOSE OUT THERE WHO DON'T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THE SWORDS SPEARS OR ANYTHING ELSE THEY ARE JUST IN IT FOR THE MONEY. THEY LEARN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN THE BETTER TO SELL AND RUNNING UP THE PRICES TO UNHEARD OF HIGHTS WOULD ONLY BE CONSIDERED AS GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE. MONEY IS NECESSARY TO HAVE BUT IT IS ONLY PAPER! NO WHERE AS COOL AS EDGED WEAPONS I REFER TO THOSE WHO ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN WEAPONS TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, DON'T EVEN LIKE THEM AND DON'T COLLECT AS HAVING NO SOUL. I WOULD SEE A GOOD OLD DAYAK MANDAU TO ADD TO MY COLLECTION, THEY WOULD ONLY SEE THE MONEY THEY WILL MAKE WHEN THEY SELL IT.THEIR COLLECTION IS TO SEE HOW BIG A FIGURE THEY CAN ACHIEVE IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE THEY DIE, FOR AS LITTLE AN INVESTMENT AS POSSIBLE A NOBLE GOAL AND SMART STRADGEY NO DOUBT. BUT I DID NOT START COLLECTING FOR THAT REASON BUT JUST TO LEARN ABOUT AND HAVE SOME INTERESTING THINGS TO COLLECT AND ENJOY, IF I HAPPEN TO MAKE SOME MONEY WHEN I SELL SO MUCH THE BETTER BUT THAT IS NOT THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND MY COLLECTING. THIS IS NOT A PUT DOWN IT IS JUST MY POINT OF VIEW THEY JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW. OFTEN THEY ARE DIRVEN A LOT HARDER THAN I AND AQUIRE A LOT MORE KNOWLEGE SO ARE A VALUABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION IF THEY CHOOSE TO SHARE THEIR KNOWLEGE. I KNOW SOME WHO WILL SHARE THEIR KNOWLEGE AND SOME WHO CONSIDER IT A POWER AND WILL TAKE IT TO THEIR GRAVE RATHER THAN SHARE IT WITH THOSE WHO DID NOT DO THE RESEARCH OR TRACK DOWN THE INFORMATION THEMSELVES. JUST ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW BUT OFTEN AN UNFORTUNATE ONE. Last edited by VANDOO; 6th August 2007 at 09:44 PM.

6th August 2007, 09:37 PM	#3
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Sympathy I have sympathy for both the Seller and the under bidders on this item. The Seller lost a sale and his time. The Bidders now have their estimates of value known and possibly tied up access on funds to bid on a different item. No winners here, rand

6th August 2007, 09:19 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I would normally (and abnormally ) be interested in this piece but I knew that it would go for ridiculous price. What turned me off was the reconditioned nose. I might have paid a much lower price for a reconditioned nose.......but who knows? (every pun intended )

6th August 2007, 10:08 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Just a few random thoughts regarding this auction. I am really sorry for the seller, as he is stuck with eBay's fee, and as far as I recall it is a percentage of the final price. I guess a good precaution by all sellers would be to explicitly warn in the listing that they would accept no bids from 0 feedback users, no exceptions. However, I do not see what a seller can do about snipers (to which I also belong) other than a second-chance offer after the end of the auction. For an item on eBay to close high, at least two high bidders are needed to drive the price up, one cannot do it by himself/herself. I wish there was a rule that made second chance offers binding on the bidder, but even this would not help make sure that noone could drive prices up, for whatever purpose. It seems however that someone is doing exactly this - registering IDs just to drive a sale really high and ruin it for the seller and the rest of the bidders, in ther meantime driving prices for colelctibles as high as possible, and this phenomenon seems to have started after eBay decided to hide bidders' IDs. Teodor